Van sharing from Monday

[circles]

Now would be a good time to fill the guardian article out

Ah the guardian...

House newspaper for the intelliigence services.

[circles]

No to van shares
Or getting a bus
And using car

f***ers can't even give u a pay rise

Are helicopters okay?... Pogo sticks?... Royal Mail issue space hoppers?...

[ddtc]

Why should we sign that we are ok with van share? How about managers signing saying they accept full responsibility for what happens to us if we share vans again? Always us who have to sign away, should be the other way around. Nhs track and trace should also be implemented before this. And how about the higher ups start going back to office to work instead of lounging at home making decisions that risk our lives? Bunch of overpaid people who have been safely working at home protecting their families and loved ones! Cut their pay or even better sack more of them.

[cpsteve]

Common sense we as adults can decide if we are happy to sit next to a workmate if we are not then we dont have to.

But you don't know how many people your workmate has been mixing with.

And then one of you catches it and give it to someone else without knowing.

Before you know it, your mate's cousin's nan is dead.

This is how Covid works. It's not about you. It's about everyone reducing their risks as much as possible to protect other people.


Van sharing hugely increases risks, and should be forcefully opposed.

So your decision is not to sit next to someone thats fine.

[Jahpostie]

Scotland is closing all pubs and restaurants. Meanwhile Royal Mail is reintroducing van share for 'volunteers' ! You could not make it up. The killer is, if you have to self isolate you can bet your bottom dollar you won't get paid.

[dolphlundgren73]

As a Health and Safety rep myself i do not see any reason for not van sharing ,if correctly done.
Had the Government said all workers stay at home until a cure for the virus is found then we would all be doing that
Unfortunately we are key workers and have to go to work. Paramedics,police,binmen, council workers, rail workers ...etc are all van sharing There has been no evidence that there has been increased cases of covid 19 due to van share.
The CWU has not been very supportive during this crisis, particularly local reps . They have been almost completely silent for 6 months. Suddenly they come to life and oppose plans to ask staff if they would like to van share.They have no solid reasoning why they oppose it ,other than jump on the " increased covid cases" band wagon.
If they checked the facts ,that increase is due to people socialising in big groups and visiting other places/households not in their own bubble.
If they oppose Van Share then CWU should also oppose working together in delivery offices.Most delivery offices are cramped for space and find it near impossible to find space.
The bottom line is that if we stop working or do our best to avoid working then ultimately Royal Mail will continue to lose even more money and guess what? That means job losses.
Covid 19 aint going away this year or next year. The world health organisation says its very unlikely that a cure will be found . Look at HIV.Nearly 40 years after that virus arrived and still no nearer to cure.
The way to deal with this virus and stay safe is follow guidelines.Wash hands,wear masks and limit contact .
I see the real reasons for CWU members opposing van shares and very few are on the side of health and safety.
Many of those that support CWU (or rather Terry Pullinger and Dave Wards suggestions as the CWU should be members decisions based on truth ) ,they are the same staff who have had the luxury of working by themselves for 6 months doing the same duty every day whilst the partner or other staff members are moved from one duty to another (often with vast workloads).
Thats why the majority are opposing van shares as they look at self interest rather than safety.
There are staff who are suffering mentally from not van sharing anymore. They cant cope with constant change. CWU should take that on board as they are meant to be a lead in "Mental Health".

[theotherone]

The 2 metre rule is law in Wales,how does that even work?

[Acca Dacca]

As a Health and Safety rep myself i do not see any reason for not van sharing ,if correctly done.
Had the Government said all workers stay at home until a cure for the virus is found then we would all be doing that
Unfortunately we are key workers and have to go to work. Paramedics,police,binmen, council workers, rail workers ...etc are all van sharing There has been no evidence that there has been increased cases of covid 19 due to van share.
The CWU has not been very supportive during this crisis, particularly local reps . They have been almost completely silent for 6 months. Suddenly they come to life and oppose plans to ask staff if they would like to van share.They have no solid reasoning why they oppose it ,other than jump on the " increased covid cases" band wagon.
If they checked the facts ,that increase is due to people socialising in big groups and visiting other places/households not in their own bubble.
If they oppose Van Share then CWU should also oppose working together in delivery offices.Most delivery offices are cramped for space and find it near impossible to find space.
The bottom line is that if we stop working or do our best to avoid working then ultimately Royal Mail will continue to lose even more money and guess what? That means job losses.
Covid 19 aint going away this year or next year. The world health organisation says its very unlikely that a cure will be found . Look at HIV.Nearly 40 years after that virus arrived and still no nearer to cure.
The way to deal with this virus and stay safe is follow guidelines.Wash hands,wear masks and limit contact .
I see the real reasons for CWU members opposing van shares and very few are on the side of health and safety.
Many of those that support CWU (or rather Terry Pullinger and Dave Wards suggestions as the CWU should be members decisions based on truth ) ,they are the same staff who have had the luxury of working by themselves for 6 months doing the same duty every day whilst the partner or other staff members are moved from one duty to another (often with vast workloads).
Thats why the majority are opposing van shares as they look at self interest rather than safety.
There are staff who are suffering mentally from not van sharing anymore. They cant cope with constant change. CWU should take that on board as they are meant to be a lead in "Mental Health".

You should be removed from your role as health and safety rep.

Shame on you.

[mags999]

if its not essential we shouldnt be doin it like we havent been for the last 6 months health and safety bloke you have got to be kiddin me more like a managers rs lick

[yellowbelly]

As a Health and Safety rep myself i do not see any reason for not van sharing ,if correctly done.
Had the Government said all workers stay at home until a cure for the virus is found then we would all be doing that
Unfortunately we are key workers and have to go to work. Paramedics,police,binmen, council workers, rail workers ...etc are all van sharing There has been no evidence that there has been increased cases of covid 19 due to van share.
The CWU has not been very supportive during this crisis, particularly local reps . They have been almost completely silent for 6 months. Suddenly they come to life and oppose plans to ask staff if they would like to van share.They have no solid reasoning why they oppose it ,other than jump on the " increased covid cases" band wagon.
If they checked the facts ,that increase is due to people socialising in big groups and visiting other places/households not in their own bubble.
If they oppose Van Share then CWU should also oppose working together in delivery offices.Most delivery offices are cramped for space and find it near impossible to find space.
The bottom line is that if we stop working or do our best to avoid working then ultimately Royal Mail will continue to lose even more money and guess what? That means job losses.
Covid 19 aint going away this year or next year. The world health organisation says its very unlikely that a cure will be found . Look at HIV.Nearly 40 years after that virus arrived and still no nearer to cure.
The way to deal with this virus and stay safe is follow guidelines.Wash hands,wear masks and limit contact .
I see the real reasons for CWU members opposing van shares and very few are on the side of health and safety.
Many of those that support CWU (or rather Terry Pullinger and Dave Wards suggestions as the CWU should be members decisions based on truth ) ,they are the same staff who have had the luxury of working by themselves for 6 months doing the same duty every day whilst the partner or other staff members are moved from one duty to another (often with vast workloads).
Thats why the majority are opposing van shares as they look at self interest rather than safety.
There are staff who are suffering mentally from not van sharing anymore. They cant cope with constant change. CWU should take that on board as they are meant to be a lead in "Mental Health".

You should be removed from your role as health and safety rep.

Shame on you.

Acca, agree with you totally,

....The way to deal with this virus and stay safe is follow guidelines.Wash hands,wear masks and limit contact ......

Whether you're sat in a van with somebody for several occurrences of 5mins, 10 mins (30 mins for one of our van shares to first drop) it's not 'limiting contact' regardless
of what happens inside the DO.

There are staff who are suffering mentally from not van sharing anymore.

and there are staff who would suffer mentally (due to the risk to themselves or vulnerable members of their family) if they did have to go back to van share with somebody who can't be arsed wearing a mask, using hand sanitiser etc etc. What happens if it's hoofing it down with rain and it's not practical to open the van windows
for ventilation?


Govt advice is still here: https://www.gov.uk/guidance/working-saf ... hicles-3-3" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

3.3 Social distancing in vehicles

Objective: To maintain social distancing wherever possible between individuals when in vehicles:

avoid multiple occupancy vehicles where safe to do so
vehicles should not be shared if possible

[Dorset Plodder]

It's "Voluntary" people calm down. If you're not happy you don't have to share. Having said that we've got a few that are interested with sharing again.

Some are looking at the financial benefits .... Not having to use their cars. Others are more interested in gettting to the start point without getting soaked on their bikes/walking.

I think it'll be interesting if the van share partner's interested in sharing again ... But the Driver isn't!

[Jahpostie]

There seems to be more management on this forum than actual posties.

[twoloops]

Our line manager individually asked each of us today if we where prepared to van share, some said yes, some said no, he said they would have to move walks & people around to accommodate those that would share, he also asked if we had downloaded the track & trace app?

[2yearpostie]

I think the most intested parties would be the ones who would have to work in the dark otherwise.

Just use your loaves guys, if your 'forced' into sharing come to agreement where one does letters and one does parcels then youll only be in the van together to and from office.

[cpsteve]

dolphlundgren hit the nail on the head well said.