Van sharing from Monday

postieblueshirt · Post by **postieblueshirt** » 06 Oct 2020, 21:36

Wasntme wrote:So come Monday when asked if i agree to share a van and i say No. The following day im told " sorry we need your van for this pair who will share, can you do afternoons instead.?
What rights do i have? Will the cwu support me if i refuse to change my shift after 15 years of doing earlies ?

Probably not as is plain to see the union have zero power..

Woody Guthrie · Post by **Woody Guthrie** » 06 Oct 2020, 21:41

I suppose if you wanted to divide the workplace and pick a fight with the union that the union can't win this is how you would do it.

They could pull the idea on Friday and blame union intransigence and there's every chance the half of members desperate to get back in the van would never support the union again or they could ignore the union, go ahead with it and the other half will blame Terry etc, etc.

It's kind of a win/win move for the business and I doubt that's an accident.

Wasntme · Post by **Wasntme** » 06 Oct 2020, 21:50

Woody Guthrie wrote:I suppose if you wanted to divide the workplace and pick a fight with the union that the union can't win this is how you would do it.

They could pull the idea on Friday and blame union intransigence and there's every chance the half of members desperate to get back in the van would never support the union again or they could ignore the union, go ahead with it and the other half will blame Terry etc, etc.

It's kind of a win/win move for the business and I doubt that's an accident.

Thats a bit deep Woody . I think the management want what's best for the shareholders and workers welfare is secondary to thst

sindba · Post by **sindba** » 06 Oct 2020, 21:53

Woody Guthrie wrote:I suppose if you wanted to divide the workplace and pick a fight with the union that the union can't win this is how you would do it.

They could pull the idea on Friday and blame union intransigence and there's every chance the half of members desperate to get back in the van would never support the union again or they could ignore the union, go ahead with it and the other half will blame Terry etc, etc.

It's kind of a win/win move for the business and I doubt that's an accident.

I dunno. Are half of members desperate to get back in vans?

I think the Union could pick and win a fight over this. With the second wave in full swing, we'd have the public onboard for a start.

sindba · Post by **sindba** » 06 Oct 2020, 21:59

SpacePhoenix wrote:
Acca Dacca wrote:Its not being enforced and is voluntary so its not technically back yet
RM will probably make anyone wanting to go back to van share to sign a disclaimer

Not legally feasible. In fact, potentially illegal even to attempt.

"If I die due to RM working practices, I hereby agree not to blame RM working practices. I was not forced to sign this.
Signed ..."

Grumpyoldmailman · Post by **Grumpyoldmailman** » 06 Oct 2020, 22:04

Wasntme wrote:
Woody Guthrie wrote:I suppose if you wanted to divide the workplace and pick a fight with the union that the union can't win this is how you would do it.

They could pull the idea on Friday and blame union intransigence and there's every chance the half of members desperate to get back in the van would never support the union again or they could ignore the union, go ahead with it and the other half will blame Terry etc, etc.

It's kind of a win/win move for the business and I doubt that's an accident.
Thats a bit deep Woody . I think the management want what's best for the shareholders and workers welfare is secondary to thst

They want both. There’s a lot of truth in what Woody say. Divide and conquer.

Woody Guthrie · Post by **Woody Guthrie** » 06 Oct 2020, 22:28

Thats a bit deep Woody . I think the management want what's best for the shareholders and workers welfare is secondary to thst

I'm not thinking it's their primary focus, just maybe an extra reason to push it at possibly the worst time to push it.
The timing couldn't have been worse, why not a month ago?

The only thing I can think of is that they were interested in what the union had to say a month ago... and now they're not.

Jpro747 · Post by **Jpro747** » 06 Oct 2020, 22:59

Just think before you sign that piece of paper tomorrow to say you’re willing to van share. You might be signing your life away. Or your friends/families/colleagues. RM want to be able to wash their hands of any responsibility if there’s a big outbreak within the company - now they can blame us! Say NO to van shares!

richietns · Post by **richietns** » 07 Oct 2020, 05:58

Who said you have to sign anything they verbaly said its voluntary,i dont agree with it but the scaremongering.

gary1975 · Post by **gary1975** » 07 Oct 2020, 06:38

The only people I know who are desperate for van share, are the people who cannot drive, everybody else hates it.

iHateD2Ds · Post by **iHateD2Ds** » 07 Oct 2020, 08:22

Let face it ,the whole workplace social distancing has been mismanaged from the start with very little enforcement and now the Lockdown has lifted we are definitely starting to see the virus hitting our workplace.

So when you decide to van share please consider your family and other people

There is more to this virus than mild symptoms.

Post by **summersunshine** » 07 Oct 2020, 08:39

The four nations have differing rules...the Royal Mail covers these four nations...even within these four nations, there are areas with higher restrictions than others...so if one nation/area deems that van sharing is disallowed, then these areas are expected to follow the rules, so what's good for one area is not for the other?
There are so many reasons why people cannot van share...the main being not wanting to die, or risk your loved ones health by transmission. Many households have very ill, vulnerable or shielded members. There are Covid cases cropping up all over in sorting offices, and this is before van sharing is reintroduced. Masks are mandatory in most public settings, whilst maintaining a SAFE 2m distance.
Refuse to van share, state your reason, ( act of recklessness by the company, unreasonable request etc..) then let them come back with the alternative suggestion, which you can't do because of childcare, other job, set commitments. Being offered unsuitable alternative shifts, is unreasonable, and you would be suffering a detriment.
If they won't budge, go off sick with mental health issues...if your prepared to leave over this..then let them pay for the privilege of getting rid. Leaving your job, means no benefits, dole etc for 6 months.

gand · Post by **gand** » 07 Oct 2020, 08:41

Now would be a good time to fill the guardian article out

Post by **TrueBlueTerrier** » 07 Oct 2020, 09:13

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circles · Post by **circles** » 07 Oct 2020, 09:22

TrueBlueTerrier wrote:
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What a load of shite lol