LTB 289/20 - Average Pay on Annual Leave : Respective legal parties were involved in dialogue concerning a simplified process for members

[yellowbelly]

How the law changed 6 April this year (basically explaining how the reference period increased to 52 weeks):

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[MinTee]

I’m sure RM want it sorting as well as when they have to pay out they will also have to pay out backdated interest and the amount is going up every day

They have no desire to sort it at all. If they did they would t continue to pay their staff in this way, literally against laws and regulations. It saves them money, there is no interest to be paid on backdated money owed, that’s not a thing. If anything the longer it’s dragged out for the easier it is for them to throw cases out of the window.

The fact it’s even going to tribunal is ridiculous.

Informing ACAS they’d not wish to early reconciliate is spitting in the face of the employees, it is literally them saying they don’t wish to uphold the law.

The law...let that sink in with how utterly useless and weak this union is.

[HTPostman]

I’m sure RM want it sorting as well as when they have to pay out they will also have to pay out backdated interest and the amount is going up every day

They have no desire to sort it at all. If they did they would t continue to pay their staff in this way, literally against laws and regulations. It saves them money, there is no interest to be paid on backdated money owed, that’s not a thing. If anything the longer it’s dragged out for the easier it is for them to throw cases out of the window.

The fact it’s even going to tribunal is ridiculous.

Informing ACAS they’d not wish to early reconciliate is spitting in the face of the employees, it is literally them saying they don’t wish to uphold the law.

The law...let that sink in with how utterly useless and weak this union is.

I just don’t understand why the union isn’t forcing the issue. Like you say, Royal Mail are breaking employment law. The union should be all over it, they should be going to the press letting them know RM are blatantly depriving a huge percentage of their key worker employees monies they are owed by law.

I feel like just working my contracted 25 hours from here on in but it’s cutting off my nose to spite my face. I could just about manage on 25 hours a week but the extra OT (of which there is plenty) is helping me get into a position where I can retire at an early age.

Anyway just taking my emotional head off for a moment. Does anyone know if there is a deadline for owed pay? Eg if it’s not claimed within 2 (or 3, or 4 etc) years is it wiped clear? Not that I’m suggesting for one moment RM would do such a thing.

[Grumpyoldmailman]

I just don’t understand why the union isn’t forcing the issue. Like you say, Royal Mail are breaking employment law. The union should be all over it, they should be going to the press letting them know RM are blatantly depriving a huge percentage of their key worker employees monies they are owed by law.

I feel like just working my contracted 25 hours from here on in but it’s cutting off my nose to spite my face. I could just about manage on 25 hours a week but the extra OT (of which there is plenty) is helping me get into a position where I can retire at an early age.

Anyway just taking my emotional head off for a moment. Does anyone know if there is a deadline for owed pay? Eg if it’s not claimed within 2 (or 3, or 4 etc) years is it wiped clear? Not that I’m suggesting for one moment RM would do such a thing.

I think it was 3 months after your leave but is now 12. They have certainly saved tens of millions via this dodgy practice. The part timers at ours are all feeling the same as you and a good few of them are now not doing OT, everyone’s circumstances are different but if you are happy to work it and it’s giving you a better life then crack on I say. It will get sorted eventually, poor showing from the union though.

[HTPostman]

I just don’t understand why the union isn’t forcing the issue. Like you say, Royal Mail are breaking employment law. The union should be all over it, they should be going to the press letting them know RM are blatantly depriving a huge percentage of their key worker employees monies they are owed by law.

I feel like just working my contracted 25 hours from here on in but it’s cutting off my nose to spite my face. I could just about manage on 25 hours a week but the extra OT (of which there is plenty) is helping me get into a position where I can retire at an early age.

Anyway just taking my emotional head off for a moment. Does anyone know if there is a deadline for owed pay? Eg if it’s not claimed within 2 (or 3, or 4 etc) years is it wiped clear? Not that I’m suggesting for one moment RM would do such a thing.

I think it was 3 months after your leave but is now 12. They have certainly saved tens of millions via this dodgy practice. The part timers at ours are all feeling the same as you and a good few of them are now not doing OT, everyone’s circumstances are different but if you are happy to work it and it’s giving you a better life then crack on I say. It will get sorted eventually, poor showing from the union though.

Thank you for that. If there was a concerted effort from all PTers to only work their contracted hours (which I think would force a solution very quickly) I’d join them but I believe that’s classed as industrial action and the union clearly don’t consider this issue high priority.

[clashcityrocker]

......and the union clearly don’t consider this issue high priority.

Compare it to the union's response if there is any suggestion of cuts to SA.