ANNOUNCEMENT : ALL OF ROYAL MAIL'S EMPLOYMENT POLICIES (AGREEMENTS) AT A GLANCE (Updated 2021)... HERE

ANNOUNCEMENT : PLEASE BE AWARE WE ARE NOT ON FACEBOOK AT ALL!

Delivering in the Dark

Postal workers discussion forum. Discuss the day to day life in a Blue Shirt.
kingdazzler
Posts: 41
Joined: 18 Mar 2019, 13:29
Gender: Male

Delivering in the Dark

Post by kingdazzler »

i did this last year. it was my 1st Christmas got sent on rural cut offs that i'd never done before with no torch. went to a house following the garden path to the front door only to fall down a 2 foot drop. luckily no injury. i rang my manager and told him i was coming back with mail left to deliver.
delivering in the dark is only okay on town duties in well lit areas that you have knowledge of the route. the other thing i found is that people are very reluctant to answer their doors when it is dark.
Cucumber
Posts: 1052
Joined: 09 Dec 2018, 10:24
Gender: Female

Delivering in the Dark

Post by Cucumber »

Woody Guthrie wrote:
Cucumber wrote:Why is at seen as 'acceptable' for part time staff (on the whole) as being the ones to do the later shifts? Don't get me wrong, I'm sure there will be some full time staff doing it, but it seems to be only part time staff in our area.
The indoor work has to be completed before any delivery work can be completed.
The only thing that NEEDS done first thing is the IPS. There would be nothing to stop around 1/3 of full time staff in each office coming in at say 10:30am and prepping both their own duty plus that of another 2 members of (part time) staff who are starting at 12:30. It would help immensely with social distancing with far less staff in at once. As it stands in our place, over 90% of the staff are in first thing - that number could be drastically cut with staggered starts - Full time early, full time mid morning, part time regular time (9:30am ish), part time afternoon.
Woody Guthrie
Posts: 5166
Joined: 29 Sep 2018, 20:47
Gender: Male

Delivering in the Dark

Post by Woody Guthrie »

If we held back 1/3rd of the full-time staff until 10.30 there would be no one in the office from 8 until 10.30 and that 1/3rd would be in the office and loading up at the same time as the 12.30 starts which is counter intuitive.

There would be no business reason for it and it would be just for show.
Only dead fish follow the current
Cucumber
Posts: 1052
Joined: 09 Dec 2018, 10:24
Gender: Female

Delivering in the Dark

Post by Cucumber »

Woody Guthrie wrote:If we held back 1/3rd of the full-time staff until 10.30 there would be no one in the office from 8 until 10.30 and that 1/3rd would be in the office and loading up at the same time as the 12.30 starts which is counter intuitive.

There would be no business reason for it and it would be just for show.
Like anything, it would work better in some offices over others. Our times for leaving for delivery are between 9:30-10am, very last person out the door at 10:15. That's what my 10:30am for 'second wave' of FT staff was based on. Most offices round our way are 9:30-10am dispatch.

In short, in our office/area it would be totally possible to have staggered start/dispatch times for both part time and full time staff.
PostmanBitesDog
Posts: 1428
Joined: 17 Feb 2019, 15:46
Gender: Male

Delivering in the Dark

Post by PostmanBitesDog »

kingdazzler wrote:the other thing i found is that people are very reluctant to answer their doors when it is dark.
I know how those people feel. I don't even answer my phone after dark.
xPandabear1992x
Posts: 286
Joined: 29 Jul 2019, 00:49
Gender: Male

Delivering in the Dark

Post by xPandabear1992x »

mail won't be that hard it'll be parcels that'll be the problem. when I did pre-shift parcel runs last christmas any delivery attempted before 7AM was usually pointless.
Sir Henry
Posts: 1316
Joined: 24 Oct 2014, 00:33
Gender: Male

Delivering in the Dark

Post by Sir Henry »

...and then our Dom at that time had the great idea that if you got no reply when on an early oarcel run, not to card the customer but return the parcel to the office and chuck it back at the appropriate walk holder to re-attempt later.
Glad that particular bonus grabbing helmet has been moved elsewhere.
"A third of the world's farmland is now useless due to soil degradation, yet we still keep producing mouths to feed. And what's you answer to that? Energy saving lightbulbs?"
Celgar
Posts: 2795
Joined: 01 Nov 2017, 17:11
Gender: Male

Delivering in the Dark

Post by Celgar »

Our previous DOM had a policy of not delivering in the dark therefore at Xmas time we would stop delivering at 1600 and return to the office even if we hadn't finished. As far as I know we will continue with the same policy this year. Its up to RM to hire more vans if there are big problems regarding van shortages due to no van sharing.
The views I express here are mine alone and do not represent the views of Royal Mail Group.
xPandabear1992x
Posts: 286
Joined: 29 Jul 2019, 00:49
Gender: Male

Delivering in the Dark

Post by xPandabear1992x »

Sir Henry wrote:...and then our Dom at that time had the great idea that if you got no reply when on an early oarcel run, not to card the customer but return the parcel to the office and chuck it back at the appropriate walk holder to re-attempt later.
Glad that particular bonus grabbing helmet has been moved elsewhere.
Hahaha I heard that one.

Just carded it and brought it back.

Chances are if they're not in the first time, they wont be in the second time.

Was correct. If someone asks where it is, it's back at the office.
CHUCKYPIG
EX ROYAL MAIL
Posts: 132
Joined: 07 Apr 2020, 21:01
Gender: Male

Delivering in the Dark

Post by CHUCKYPIG »

Celgar wrote:Our previous DOM had a policy of not delivering in the dark therefore at Xmas time we would stop delivering at 1600 and return to the office even if we hadn't finished. As far as I know we will continue with the same policy this year. Its up to RM to hire more vans if there are big problems regarding van shortages due to no van sharing.
I wish our DOM had the same view. His view was basically tough s**t you as a leave reserve are at the bottom of the rung so you will start at 12.30 you will be out delivering to 6pm at the earliest and you can use a torch. Seems each office has a different policy. Also we have very limited parking as town centre so can't really get any more vans.
terry2972
Posts: 482
Joined: 17 Jan 2014, 15:26
Gender: Male

Delivering in the Dark

Post by terry2972 »

The only thing I would add is if I am out to 6pm my work rate would drop dramatically and a lot would be coming back, as health and safety starts with us. I don’t fancy getting injured
SpacePhoenix
MAIL CENTRES/PROCESSING
Posts: 12195
Joined: 12 Nov 2008, 17:03
Gender: Male

Delivering in the Dark

Post by SpacePhoenix »

CHUCKYPIG wrote:
Celgar wrote:Our previous DOM had a policy of not delivering in the dark therefore at Xmas time we would stop delivering at 1600 and return to the office even if we hadn't finished. As far as I know we will continue with the same policy this year. Its up to RM to hire more vans if there are big problems regarding van shortages due to no van sharing.
I wish our DOM had the same view. His view was basically tough s**t you as a leave reserve are at the bottom of the rung so you will start at 12.30 you will be out delivering to 6pm at the earliest and you can use a torch. Seems each office has a different policy. Also we have very limited parking as town centre so can't really get any more vans.
Also some DOs might not have enough people who can drive to make getting extra vans viable
wallan
Posts: 498
Joined: 09 Apr 2012, 08:12
Gender: Male

Delivering in the Dark

Post by wallan »

SpacePhoenix wrote:
CHUCKYPIG wrote:
Celgar wrote:Our previous DOM had a policy of not delivering in the dark therefore at Xmas time we would stop delivering at 1600 and return to the office even if we hadn't finished. As far as I know we will continue with the same policy this year. Its up to RM to hire more vans if there are big problems regarding van shortages due to no van sharing.
I wish our DOM had the same view. His view was basically tough s**t you as a leave reserve are at the bottom of the rung so you will start at 12.30 you will be out delivering to 6pm at the earliest and you can use a torch. Seems each office has a different policy. Also we have very limited parking as town centre so can't really get any more vans.
Also some DOs might not have enough people who can drive to make getting extra vans viable
If you introduce Early Starts , to ensure Vans are back for afternoon deliveries , duties going out at 7am or there about,s will also be delivering in the Dark for the 1st hour or so
swintontillidie
Posts: 97
Joined: 18 Jul 2007, 14:14

Delivering in the Dark

Post by swintontillidie »

We've been told that van sharing will be back in the next few weeks,certainly before christmas.
TrueBlueTerrier
FORUM ADMINISTRATOR
Posts: 72754
Joined: 30 Dec 2006, 10:29
Gender: Male
Location: On my couch

Delivering in the Dark

Post by TrueBlueTerrier »

swintontillidie wrote:We've been told that van sharing will be back in the next few weeks,certainly before christmas.

An official briefing, or a comment made in passing. The difference is important when speaking to a manager or rep, one is just their opinion, the other is authorised information.
All post by me in Green are Admin Posts.
Any post in any other colour is my own responsibility.
If you like a news story I posted please click the link to show support Any news stories you can't post - PM me with a link
My sharing of news articles should not be interpreted as an endorsement or condemnation of any particular viewpoint or the issues presented. I share them solely for informational purposes.