LTB 459/20 - JOINT STATEMENT - PAY AND SHORTER WORKING WEEK

Thailand1 · Post by **Thailand1** » 23 Sep 2020, 22:03

Please can someone explain 2 bundle trial....Thanks

Post by **Sugar** » 24 Sep 2020, 08:42

iainwilson wrote:What do you mean by time will tell if they go after Parcelforce?

Consolidating as many functions as possible into a single delivery operation.

Post by **Sugar** » 24 Sep 2020, 08:46

Thailand1 wrote:Please can someone explain 2 bundle trial....Thanks

You have one bundle made up of mail that you sorted into your frame and a second bundle that came into the office later which is walk sorted but you didn't prep into the frame. You then place those 2 bundles back to back whilst you're out on delivery and flick between front and back for the mail to each delivery point.

Post by **chocolatesaltyballs** » 24 Sep 2020, 18:44

How is a 2 bundle method ever going to work when many if not most deliveries will have streets that are bundled back to back, i.e. 2,4,6,8 etc on side and 1,3,5,7 etc the other side of the bundle. How can you then have an additional walk sorted bundle alongside that. Not thought through at all but then that's no big surprise.

clashcityrocker · Post by **clashcityrocker** » 24 Sep 2020, 19:10

chocolatesaltyballs wrote: when many if not most deliveries will have streets that are bundled back to back, .

Many? Most?
In 20+ years and having worked in 7 delivery offices I have never seen a duty tied up like that.

P13 · Post by **P13** » 24 Sep 2020, 19:15

clashcityrocker wrote:
chocolatesaltyballs wrote: when many if not most deliveries will have streets that are bundled back to back, .
Many? Most?
In 20+ years and having worked in 7 delivery offices I have never seen a duty tied up like that.

We used to tie up like that 30 years ago before we had rm 2000 frames

Post by **SpacePhoenix** » 24 Sep 2020, 19:49

Sugar wrote:
Thailand1 wrote:Please can someone explain 2 bundle trial....Thanks
You have one bundle made up of mail that you sorted into your frame and a second bundle that came into the office later which is walk sorted but you didn't prep into the frame. You then place those 2 bundles back to back whilst you're out on delivery and flick between front and back for the mail to each delivery point.

What about the 3rd bundle with your manual in?

Post by **chocolatesaltyballs** » 24 Sep 2020, 20:16

clashcityrocker wrote:
chocolatesaltyballs wrote: when many if not most deliveries will have streets that are bundled back to back, .
Many? Most?
In 20+ years and having worked in 7 delivery offices I have never seen a duty tied up like that.

I assumed most were like this, pretty much every delivery I've prepped has the mail prepped into the frame this way in certain streets ( odds evens on opposite sides) for ease of prep and the mail is then bundled back to back and delivered criss crossing the street as you go. Every day's a school day.

Woody Guthrie · Post by **Woody Guthrie** » 24 Sep 2020, 20:31

How could you use a trolley with the back to back method? That nonsense was supposed to be planned out of duties 10 years ago.
Dark ages stuff.

Post by **chocolatesaltyballs** » 24 Sep 2020, 20:36

Woody Guthrie wrote:How could you use a trolley with the back to back method? That nonsense was supposed to be planned out of duties 10 years ago.
Dark ages stuff.

I know it's not supposed to happen but old habits die hard in my office. It's a pain if you're not fimiliar with a duty like this and bundle up as per frame and you get to 32 High St and look at the next letter and it's for 1 High St back at the start of the street.

Post by **Sugar** » 25 Sep 2020, 08:29

SpacePhoenix wrote:
Sugar wrote:
Thailand1 wrote:Please can someone explain 2 bundle trial....Thanks
You have one bundle made up of mail that you sorted into your frame and a second bundle that came into the office later which is walk sorted but you didn't prep into the frame. You then place those 2 bundles back to back whilst you're out on delivery and flick between front and back for the mail to each delivery point.
What about the 3rd bundle with your manual in?

Manual mail will have been thrown into your frame as per normal with the first lot of sequenced once sorting's finished. Any loose that may come in after that is anyone's guess. Generally I never got more than half a dozen loose when the second lot of mail came in so it wouldn't have been much of an issue to feed that in out on delivery.

chocolatesaltyballs wrote:How is a 2 bundle method ever going to work when many if not most deliveries will have streets that are bundled back to back, i.e. 2,4,6,8 etc on side and 1,3,5,7 etc the other side of the bundle. How can you then have an additional walk sorted bundle alongside that. Not thought through at all but then that's no big surprise.

Your frames will be redone so everything runs in a straight sequence.

clashcityrocker wrote:Many? Most?
In 20+ years and having worked in 7 delivery offices I have never seen a duty tied up like that.

That's how I was taught 20 years ago. On certain streets you pulled the odds out then the evens and put them back to back so you could crisscross the street/road.

Woody Guthrie wrote:How could you use a trolley with the back to back method? That nonsense was supposed to be planned out of duties 10 years ago.
Dark ages stuff.

Get to the house, let go of the trolley handle, walk down the garden path then check your bundle(s) for that delivery point and then the next. Repeat the process for the next 600+ delivery points. Might stop those that walk and sort and cut down on a few slips and trips on delivery because people aren't watching what they are doing.

Woody Guthrie · Post by **Woody Guthrie** » 25 Sep 2020, 12:42

Sugar wrote:
Woody Guthrie wrote:How could you use a trolley with the back to back method? That nonsense was supposed to be planned out of duties 10 years ago.
Dark ages stuff.
Get to the house, let go of the trolley handle, walk down the garden path then check your bundle(s) for that delivery point and then the next. Repeat the process for the next 600+ delivery points. Might stop those that walk and sort and cut down on a few slips and trips on delivery because people aren't watching what they are doing.

I don't know if you're being deliberately facetious or have just missed the point but how do you safely cross cross a road a dozen or more times dodging traffic and parked cars with a trolley in tow?

That's absolutely crazy.

Of course the truth is in most cases they aren't using a trolley and in most cases the frame isn't set up for back to back, we're just talking about guys doing their own thing to score a little time.

Post by **Sugar** » 25 Sep 2020, 13:12

Woody Guthrie wrote:
Sugar wrote:
Woody Guthrie wrote:How could you use a trolley with the back to back method? That nonsense was supposed to be planned out of duties 10 years ago.
Dark ages stuff.
Get to the house, let go of the trolley handle, walk down the garden path then check your bundle(s) for that delivery point and then the next. Repeat the process for the next 600+ delivery points. Might stop those that walk and sort and cut down on a few slips and trips on delivery because people aren't watching what they are doing.
I don't know if you're being deliberately facetious or have just missed the point but how do you safely cross cross a road a dozen or more times dodging traffic and parked cars with a trolley in tow?

That's absolutely crazy.

Of course the truth is in most cases they aren't using a trolley and in most cases the frame isn't set up for back to back, we're just talking about guys doing their own thing to score a little time.

Yes deliberately playful BUT as we both know in this company people are generally against any and all change or need everything explaining in microscopic detail.

To answer your other point we were told when van share came in that walks were to be designed to limit crisscrossing roads etc as this just increased dead walking and wasted time. I've used LWT's and HCT's and yes parked cars are a pain in the rear but managers aren't going to see that as anything other than a part of the job, it'll be down to the OPG to show otherwise and it is a H&S or time issue.

Unfortunately people trying to score a little time is probably part of the driving force behind rm's agenda. You're all lazy, full of Spanish practises and won't let them bring in clocking in machines...

richietns · Post by **richietns** » 25 Sep 2020, 16:54

"people are generally against any and all change"

There's change and then royalmails change,ive lost count how many changes over the last ten years its not normal,ive worked for lots of corporations theyve never had as many turnarounds as RM.

Woody Guthrie · Post by **Woody Guthrie** » 25 Sep 2020, 17:27

richietns wrote:"people are generally against any and all change"

There's change and then royalmails change,ive lost count how many changes over the last ten years its not normal,ive worked for lots of corporations theyve never had as many turnarounds as RM.

Agreed but to be honest it's been 20 years of constant and apparently directionless change including the ridiculous "Consignia" episode.

All the time the fault of the staff and unions of course with no accountability at all for the ridiculous dead ends the business has gone down.

My personal view is the real resistance to change comes from management who are stuck in a fire fighting command and control system that would be more at home in the mid 70s.

Every change the business has agreed with the union and attempted to implement has run aground on the rocks of inept local management interpretation and application.

Instead of changing their philosophy they slam the square peg into the round hole of their own prejudiced view of how a unit should be managed.

They know best because... they've been doing such a wonderful job up to now right... right?