Is COVID-19 real or is it just another virus

k979aaa · Post by **k979aaa** » 30 Aug 2020, 18:24

Woody Guthrie wrote:The mistake people are making is that they believe that the measures are meant to stop the virus and that's why they get confused about the difference in guidance.

You can't stop a Coronavirus, all the measures are meant to do is slow the spread down to a manageable level so that hopefully our understanding of the virus can improve, treatments can improve and our ability to protect the most vulnerable can improve thereby reducing the mortality rate.

Against all this there has to be a balance otherwise we'll all just lock ourselves away and go off our heads so we allow some activities, wear masks where it's practical and keep a close eye on the infection rate.

This is a comment I endorse it is about mitigation slow the spread so we don't overwhelm the NHS that was the task at the beginning, But they this government even buggered that up by letting flights into the nation by rich people fleeing the USA so I don't really think they care about the health of our nation. Then he after COVID brain episode was badgered into his face mask fiasco by one tv crew honestly, If people want to ware them it is up to them just use them properly dispose of them properly and don't make a fool of yourself's arguing with someone who cannot ware one!

Post by **aiden01** » 30 Aug 2020, 19:09

daveyeff wrote:
aiden01 wrote:
daveyeff wrote:its a very strange virus indeed. you must wear a mask in Asda, but not in the Asda cafe, it mustn't be allowed in there. (presumably the virus must know its not allowed in the cafe part). people who are exempt from wearing masks must not be able to spread it...or shelf stackers in tesco.. its not allowed in pubs and clubs because you are not required to wear a mask in there. its not allowed to go into school classrooms cos you don't need to wear a mask in there, but it must be waiting in the corridors cos the kids have to wear them there. an NHS nurse on twitter saying her certificate for working during the pandemic is bollocks because their switchboard was dead and in her own words...''she did f**k all''? whats all that about?....yes....its a very strange virus indeed.
Ever tried drinking a pint with a mask on.
yes. at a fancy dress i was at years ago. it was easy drinking with a batman mask on.

Hahaha but with a mask to try an protect yourself from covid 19 try an see where it goes.

k979aaa · Post by **k979aaa** » 30 Aug 2020, 19:28

Sir Henry wrote:
k979aaa wrote:Is that the best you can say it's a debate not a slag K979aaa forum. just saying
If that was for my benefit I apologise for any offence caused. Just a quip based on your stream of conciousness block of text presentation and the time it was posted.

But I will have a go at making a contribution to the discussion....

Corvid causes 3.5 times more deaths than flu due to us having developed resistance/immunity to flu but NO ONE has immunity to Corvid 19 as its relatively new. So unless there's an arbiter to decide on how we describe the efficiency of a disease, I think 'deadly' fits quite nicely.

No piled up corpses? Nope but that's because we buried my sister in law in a grave just to fool the public and to not scare the children. Or maybe just to follow the normal burial traditions. Let's not forget the figures represent people (virtue signalling alert!)

850000 deaths? So what is the breakdown in age and infirmity that leads one to conclude that this figure of covid deaths has been skewed by the inclusion of the deaths of those who by rights would have probably died of other causes anyway? Maybe we should discount a percentage for the clumsy, unlucky, unhealthy, foolhardy and those (like front line workers) (virtue signalling alert 2!)who's jobs expose them to greater than average risk? Should we get some Tory crony owned company to supply an algorithm to calculate that? Ditto for the the folk who have died due to being overlooked because they were not suffering from newsworthy conditions?

Well that's it for now as I'm bored of the sound of my own voice.....

Sorry for your loss Sir Henry but until stories are told we don't know these things I just present facts I don't claim it is a fake virus or is not serious for lots of people. Just that we are told the truth and make our own judgements and are better served by the people we pay to lead us through this crisis.

Caesar · Post by **Caesar** » 30 Aug 2020, 20:42

My opinion is that it's nether the deadliest virus that we have encountered or a conspiracy.
I think the reason for the confusion regarding official advice is due to scientist not really being 100% sure about what they are dealing with.
I also think that the conspiracy idea is because there are people/companies possibly using the pandemic to further their own agendas. It may well have become a conspiracy with these same people/ companies controlling the media and funding most of the covid research.

k979aaa · Post by **k979aaa** » 30 Aug 2020, 21:30

Caesar wrote:My opinion is that it's nether the deadliest virus that we have encountered or a conspiracy.
I think the reason for the confusion regarding official advice is due to scientist not really being 100% sure about what they are dealing with.
I also think that the conspiracy idea is because there are people/companies possibly using the pandemic to further their own agendas. It may well have become a conspiracy with these same people/ companies controlling the media and funding most of the covid research.

A hell of a few people have made a lot of money out of this crap out of date ppe sold for vast sums research for vaccines cloth masks made out of underwear. If you do make masks out of bras just make sure you use the left cup or you will look a right tit.

Jpro747 · Post by **Jpro747** » 30 Aug 2020, 23:06

Covid-19 is real. But could’ve been created in a lab somewhere on purpose, then purposely unleashed on the world population as a weapon to depopulate the earth or a distraction tactic while world governments implement the NWO.

k979aaa · Post by **k979aaa** » 30 Aug 2020, 23:41

Jpro747 wrote:Covid-19 is real. But could’ve been created in a lab somewhere on purpose, then purposely unleashed on the world population as a weapon to depopulate the earth or a distraction tactic while world governments implement the NWO.

It could be that the economic model of China was crumbling by the sanctions of the US government Trump administration and they purposely used it as they would have crumbled under the sanctions an thus let it out sent it out. Or it could be it has been around for a few years by people visiting locations and coming into contact with animals who have always had the virus. Very hard to pin down but since it is a virus that emanated on this planet we hope we can control it in some way it is not just a concern for a few now but all. As for the china letting it loose case deliberately just don't get why they would even with trump sanctions they know he will have to be re elected in November 2020. And in the meantime massive pain as consumer spending drops all over the world it's a blind ally. Just think 100 years ago flying was for the pioneers the foolhardy and the men who went to war in their magnificent flying machines. Yet today we can hop across the world without care 18 hour flights NZ to New York London even. We have us all every nation with a destination become an airborne express for pandemics to spread their own wings!

TheStrangler · Post by **TheStrangler** » 01 Sep 2020, 09:54

I can't see how people can make the argument that it's a deliberate thing by the government.
The economy was in pretty good shape before this happened, why would they crash it just so they could "control the people".
It makes no sense and besides aren't we all "controlled" in any case to some degree?
I can only see China benefitting from this though I've no idea whether it was done deliberately or was just badly managed.
We f****d up by letting events such as Cheltenham races go ahead at the start and by not imposing full lockdown sooner.
Thankfully the nhs wasn't overwhelmed, it could've been much worse when you look at the state of some other countries.

Woody Guthrie · Post by **Woody Guthrie** » 01 Sep 2020, 10:17

The dumbest conspiracy doing the rounds right now is the Bill Gates microchip in a vaccine bollocks.

We're all wandering around happily with mobile phones that can track far more of what you do and why you do it than any single chip could and most of us are dumping all kinds of info all over Facebook, Instagram, Twitter and all the other social media platforms but they're willing to wreck the economy to microchip us with something that knowing Microsoft would probably be obsolete within 12 months?

PostmanBitesDog · Post by **PostmanBitesDog** » 01 Sep 2020, 16:35

Woody Guthrie wrote:The dumbest conspiracy doing the rounds right now is the Bill Gates microchip in a vaccine bollocks.

As a matter of fact, that nutty conspiracy theory has been around for a few months. There're dozens of other nutty conspiracy theories revolving around the coronavirus pandemic leading to what the World Health Organization has called an "infodemic" - a fast-moving global spread of misinformation and fear-mongering usually via social media. (Source: 1st WHO Infodemiology Conference)

There's a more recent wacky theory spreading like the plague: 5G technology caused COVID-19 and exacerbates severe viral infection.

As the cliche goes, "You couldn't make this sh*t up."

PostmanBitesDog · Post by **PostmanBitesDog** » 03 Sep 2020, 17:01

Good lord, Matt Hancock is such a dumb sh*t. What a train wreck of an interview. He's all over the place with the government's handling of the pandemic. And wait until 8:06 in the embedded clip when Sky News' Kay Burley asks Hancock about the possibility of the UK government bringing on board the former Australian prime minister, Tony Abbott, for international trade agreements. That guy is a real dick.

k979aaa · Post by **k979aaa** » 05 Sep 2020, 00:46

It could be worse we could have an Australian making trade deals for us all that's just not cricket.
Seen that they Aussies have the strictest restrictions on their own population hes just been offered a job any job to avoid them and his county men and women!

manchesterpunk · Post by **manchesterpunk** » 08 Sep 2020, 07:56

My uncle died of COVID-19. Well no, he actually died of liver disease but it was registered as a covid death.

If this virus is as deadly or as serious as it is then why would you need to inflate the figures?

It doesn’t make sense. I fully believe there is something out there but there’s definitely someone taking advantage of this situation.

As for a vaccine I’d happily let Boris prioritise the Tory voters first. I’ll hang towards the back of the line for now. Like brand new iPhones you never want the first out of the production line.

Woody Guthrie · Post by **Woody Guthrie** » 08 Sep 2020, 08:30

My uncle died of COVID-19. Well no, he actually died of liver disease but it was registered as a covid death.

Would he have died of liver disease at that particular point in his life if he hadn't contracted Covid-19?

This seems to confuse a lot of people, underlying health conditions are not necessarily the cause of death, they are the reason a virus can be fatal.

If you shoot a hemopheliac and they bleed out in 30 seconds it is still the gun shot that killed them. It is still murder not death by natural causes.

PostmanBitesDog · Post by **PostmanBitesDog** » 08 Sep 2020, 17:56

Nature (Sept. 8, 2020) ~ The Coronavirus is Mutating — Does it Matter?

Different SARS-CoV-2 strains haven’t yet had a major impact on the course of the pandemic, but they might in future.

When COVID-19 spread around the globe this year, David Montefiori wondered how the deadly virus behind the pandemic might be changing as it passed from person to person. Montefiori is a virologist who has spent much of his career studying how chance mutations in HIV help it to evade the immune system. The same thing might happen with SARS-CoV-2, he thought.

In March, Montefiori, who directs an AIDS-vaccine research laboratory at Duke University in Durham, North Carolina, contacted Bette Korber, an expert in HIV evolution and a long-time collaborator. Korber, a computational biologist at the Los Alamos National Laboratory (LANL) in Sante Fe, New Mexico, had already started scouring thousands of coronavirus genetic sequences for mutations that might have changed the virus’s properties as it made its way around the world.

Compared with HIV, SARS-CoV-2 is changing much more slowly as it spreads. But one mutation stood out to Korber. It was in the gene encoding the spike protein, which helps virus particles to penetrate cells. Korber saw the mutation appearing again and again in samples from people with COVID-19. At the 614th amino-acid position of the spike protein, the amino acid aspartate (D, in biochemical shorthand) was regularly being replaced by glycine (G) because of a copying fault that altered a single nucleotide in the virus’s 29,903-letter RNA code. Virologists were calling it the D614G mutation.

A Catalog Of Coronavirus Mutations.jpg

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