Is COVID-19 real or is it just another virus

k979aaa · Post by **k979aaa** » 29 Aug 2020, 23:05

Well is it conspiracy theorists say it is a plandemic made by Bill Gates the microsoft windows guy who will track us all by the vaccine with a hidden microchip? But others insist it is the deadliest virus since the bubonic plague and we must all ware face masks stay 10 meters apart and never leave the house or we will all die in an instant? Well people are protesting all over the world here https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... ondon.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; But protests do not mean it is a fake virus or that they have a a correct view of this. Well what we do have is statistics on the https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; Website you can flick through these it may put your mind at rest . But is this virus that is so deadly why has most of us not died already? if it was that deadly the bodies would be pilling up in the street also we apparently did not have a flu season? People have died and I respect that doctors were told to empty the hospitals by their overpaid managers so as to make room for the COVID-19 cases which never reached even 75% of capacity never mind the nightingale hospitals, It was good that the planing for the capacity was done but a horrendous crime that those who were ill were turfed out and sent out to die! We can look at the latest figures from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; website it says 25 million but it is more like 250 million cases and 850,000 dead lots of these people would have died anyway by FLU or just old age. But the real cost is in the economy and those who we could save who have undiagnosed cancer or heart problems strokes or suicide the greatest crime that this government did was under-react by not stopping travel in very early March and overreact latter in March to compensate and they have not learnt their lessons yet. Boris popularist Johnson and his comedy clown Cummings keep pandering for media attention and the idea that they know best well they don't have clue!

iHateD2Ds · Post by **iHateD2Ds** » 30 Aug 2020, 07:49

I would say it’s very real to the 1000s of healthy people who have died from it.

And there a many who have survived but have now serious health issues.

It’s Real to them

And now the Government is trying to downplay it saying it safe for kids to go back to school.
Yes ,majority of children maybe fine and asymptotic ,passing the virus onto their parents and elderly.

The second wave is coming

Woody Guthrie · Post by **Woody Guthrie** » 30 Aug 2020, 08:23

People love a conspiracy theory because it allows them to hide from their own personal responsibilities.

Religion-everything is controlled by "God's plan".
Aliens-everything is controlled by 7 foot lizards.
Covid-everything is controlled by some deep state group.

It's a form of social cowardice.

But others insist it is the deadliest virus since the bubonic plague and we must all ware face masks stay 10 meters apart and never leave the house or we will all die in an instant?

This is a consistent theme with those who can't deal with responsibility , they lie and exaggerate reality in order to justify their own lack of emotional courage, nobody insisted this ever.

Of course this pandemic is real but as I pointed out right at the beginning the real danger is from its ease of transmission not its mortality rate.

1% of the UK population is over 600,000 people but who cares, they would probably have died anyway.

maisymoo04 · Post by **maisymoo04** » 30 Aug 2020, 08:51

Wish this COVID would just f@@@ off and leave us all alone

LouBarlow · Post by **LouBarlow** » 30 Aug 2020, 13:50

You should probably ask the families of the health workers who have died if they think it is real. It won't end well for you.

daveyeff · Post by **daveyeff** » 30 Aug 2020, 14:57

its a very strange virus indeed. you must wear a mask in Asda, but not in the Asda cafe, it mustn't be allowed in there. (presumably the virus must know its not allowed in the cafe part). people who are exempt from wearing masks must not be able to spread it...or shelf stackers in tesco.. its not allowed in pubs and clubs because you are not required to wear a mask in there. its not allowed to go into school classrooms cos you don't need to wear a mask in there, but it must be waiting in the corridors cos the kids have to wear them there. an NHS nurse on twitter saying her certificate for working during the pandemic is bollocks because their switchboard was dead and in her own words...''she did f**k all''? whats all that about?....yes....its a very strange virus indeed.

Sir Henry · Post by **Sir Henry** » 30 Aug 2020, 15:11

k979aaa wrote:Well is it conspiracy theorists say it is a plandemic made by Bill Gates the microsoft windows guy who will track us all by the vaccine with a hidden microchip? But others insist it is the deadliest virus since the bubonic plague and we must all ware face masks stay 10 meters apart and never leave the house or we will all die in an instant? Well people are protesting all over the world here https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... ondon.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; But protests do not mean it is a fake virus or that they have a a correct view of this. Well what we do have is statistics on the https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; Website you can flick through these it may put your mind at rest . But is this virus that is so deadly why has most of us not died already? if it was that deadly the bodies would be pilling up in the street also we apparently did not have a flu season? People have died and I respect that doctors were told to empty the hospitals by their overpaid managers so as to make room for the COVID-19 cases which never reached even 75% of capacity never mind the nightingale hospitals, It was good that the planing for the capacity was done but a horrendous crime that those who were ill were turfed out and sent out to die! We can look at the latest figures from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; website it says 25 million but it is more like 250 million cases and 850,000 dead lots of these people would have died anyway by FLU or just old age. But the real cost is in the economy and those who we could save who have undiagnosed cancer or heart problems strokes or suicide the greatest crime that this government did was under-react by not stopping travel in very early March and overreact latter in March to compensate and they have not learnt their lessons yet. Boris popularist Johnson and his comedy clown Cummings keep pandering for media attention and the idea that they know best well they don't have clue!

Taxi for K979aaa!

k979aaa · Post by **k979aaa** » 30 Aug 2020, 15:43

Is that the best you can say it's a debate not a slag K979aaa forum. just saying

Woody Guthrie · Post by **Woody Guthrie** » 30 Aug 2020, 16:59

daveyeff wrote:its a very strange virus indeed. you must wear a mask in Asda, but not in the Asda cafe, it mustn't be allowed in there. (presumably the virus must know its not allowed in the cafe part). people who are exempt from wearing masks must not be able to spread it...or shelf stackers in tesco.. its not allowed in pubs and clubs because you are not required to wear a mask in there. its not allowed to go into school classrooms cos you don't need to wear a mask in there, but it must be waiting in the corridors cos the kids have to wear them there. an NHS nurse on twitter saying her certificate for working during the pandemic is bollocks because their switchboard was dead and in her own words...''she did f**k all''? whats all that about?....yes....its a very strange virus indeed.

That's a dumb argument davey, practicality has to play a part in whether masks are suitable. You can't eat a meal wearing a mask just like you can't wear a condom when you go for a piss. It's nothing to do with the virus being 'strange'.

As for the nurse, because one nurse says she did f**k all we're supposed to believe it's a giant Bill Gates inspired conspiracy? Do me a favour..

Post by **aiden01** » 30 Aug 2020, 17:03

daveyeff wrote:its a very strange virus indeed. you must wear a mask in Asda, but not in the Asda cafe, it mustn't be allowed in there. (presumably the virus must know its not allowed in the cafe part). people who are exempt from wearing masks must not be able to spread it...or shelf stackers in tesco.. its not allowed in pubs and clubs because you are not required to wear a mask in there. its not allowed to go into school classrooms cos you don't need to wear a mask in there, but it must be waiting in the corridors cos the kids have to wear them there. an NHS nurse on twitter saying her certificate for working during the pandemic is bollocks because their switchboard was dead and in her own words...''she did f**k all''? whats all that about?....yes....its a very strange virus indeed.

Ever tried drinking a pint with a mask on.

daveyeff · Post by **daveyeff** » 30 Aug 2020, 17:14

Woody Guthrie wrote:
daveyeff wrote:its a very strange virus indeed. you must wear a mask in Asda, but not in the Asda cafe, it mustn't be allowed in there. (presumably the virus must know its not allowed in the cafe part). people who are exempt from wearing masks must not be able to spread it...or shelf stackers in tesco.. its not allowed in pubs and clubs because you are not required to wear a mask in there. its not allowed to go into school classrooms cos you don't need to wear a mask in there, but it must be waiting in the corridors cos the kids have to wear them there. an NHS nurse on twitter saying her certificate for working during the pandemic is bollocks because their switchboard was dead and in her own words...''she did f**k all''? whats all that about?....yes....its a very strange virus indeed.
That's a dumb argument davey, practicality has to play a part in whether masks are suitable. You can't eat a meal wearing a mask just like you can't wear a condom when you go for a piss. It's nothing to do with the virus being 'strange'.

As for the nurse, because one nurse says she did f**k all we're supposed to believe it's a giant Bill Gates inspired conspiracy? Do me a favour..

its not an argument...just what people have noticed and said. you don't have to wear them everywhere, floorstaff in asda not wearing them but customers do? not wearing them at all in bars. anyone having this virus is then free to spread it. thats not being practical at all is it. i don't believe for 1 second one its a conspiracy. i was tested positive for it and was ill with the bastard for over a week. and you wouldn't get every country participating in a global con. but i do think there is a lot that needs to come out which as yet has not.

daveyeff · Post by **daveyeff** » 30 Aug 2020, 17:18

aiden01 wrote:
daveyeff wrote:its a very strange virus indeed. you must wear a mask in Asda, but not in the Asda cafe, it mustn't be allowed in there. (presumably the virus must know its not allowed in the cafe part). people who are exempt from wearing masks must not be able to spread it...or shelf stackers in tesco.. its not allowed in pubs and clubs because you are not required to wear a mask in there. its not allowed to go into school classrooms cos you don't need to wear a mask in there, but it must be waiting in the corridors cos the kids have to wear them there. an NHS nurse on twitter saying her certificate for working during the pandemic is bollocks because their switchboard was dead and in her own words...''she did f**k all''? whats all that about?....yes....its a very strange virus indeed.
Ever tried drinking a pint with a mask on.

yes. at a fancy dress i was at years ago. it was easy drinking with a batman mask on.

Woody Guthrie · Post by **Woody Guthrie** » 30 Aug 2020, 17:26

The mistake people are making is that they believe that the measures are meant to stop the virus and that's why they get confused about the difference in guidance.

You can't stop a Coronavirus, all the measures are meant to do is slow the spread down to a manageable level so that hopefully our understanding of the virus can improve, treatments can improve and our ability to protect the most vulnerable can improve thereby reducing the mortality rate.

Against all this there has to be a balance otherwise we'll all just lock ourselves away and go off our heads so we allow some activities, wear masks where it's practical and keep a close eye on the infection rate.

daveyeff · Post by **daveyeff** » 30 Aug 2020, 17:40

yeah, i agree with that. but the pubs will be a breeding ground for it, and as i understand it, they are letting the crowds return to football/racing/rugby in a few weeks. so we could see a potentially bigger shitstorm than the first....not to mention a longer lockdown.

Sir Henry · Post by **Sir Henry** » 30 Aug 2020, 18:10

k979aaa wrote:Is that the best you can say it's a debate not a slag K979aaa forum. just saying

If that was for my benefit I apologise for any offence caused. Just a quip based on your stream of conciousness block of text presentation and the time it was posted.

But I will have a go at making a contribution to the discussion....

Corvid causes 3.5 times more deaths than flu due to us having developed resistance/immunity to flu but NO ONE has immunity to Corvid 19 as its relatively new. So unless there's an arbiter to decide on how we describe the efficiency of a disease, I think 'deadly' fits quite nicely.

No piled up corpses? Nope but that's because we buried my sister in law in a grave just to fool the public and to not scare the children. Or maybe just to follow the normal burial traditions. Let's not forget the figures represent people (virtue signalling alert!)

850000 deaths? So what is the breakdown in age and infirmity that leads one to conclude that this figure of covid deaths has been skewed by the inclusion of the deaths of those who by rights would have probably died of other causes anyway? Maybe we should discount a percentage for the clumsy, unlucky, unhealthy, foolhardy and those (like front line workers) (virtue signalling alert 2!)who's jobs expose them to greater than average risk? Should we get some Tory crony owned company to supply an algorithm to calculate that? Ditto for the the folk who have died due to being overlooked because they were not suffering from newsworthy conditions?

Well that's it for now as I'm bored of the sound of my own voice.....