HTPostman wrote:At some point Royal Mail will have a huge amount of backdated holiday pay to pay to part timers. I’m owed £1500 ish. Some PT will be owed more, some less. Assume an average of £1000 which is being conservative, and 30,000 PT (my estimate) that’s £30 million.
Not sure about other PT staff but I’d gladly accept a one off nominal payment of say £200 in my next wage PLUS have 5 hours added onto my contracted hours (so my 25 hour contract becomes 30 hours). Royal Mail know the majority of PT staff do more than their contracted hours in the form of OT anyway.
The company gets out of a huge payment which could put it in a dire financial position and tip it over the edge, and me and other PT staff get more contracted hours which simply replaces the extra hours we do on OT. It then means we have extra prep time. Win win.
I think we have probably had this conversation before but I will say it again. If you are owed £1500 ish don’t accept £200 with a carrot dangled for afew extra hours contract. Do you think Rico said don’t worry about his gardening leave pay after he got the boot, no chance.
You need to get onto your rep if you are regularly doing more hours as it should be reviewed every 6 months. We have just had afew given full time up here.
HTPostman wrote:Unpopular post of the year coming up....
Trying to steer away from PT vs FT cos we’ve done it to death on here.
Anyway....
At some point Royal Mail will have a huge amount of backdated holiday pay to pay to part timers. I’m owed £1500 ish. Some PT will be owed more, some less. Assume an average of £1000 which is being conservative, and 30,000 PT (my estimate) that’s £30 million.
Not sure about other PT staff but I’d gladly accept a one off nominal payment of say £200 in my next wage PLUS have 5 hours added onto my contracted hours (so my 25 hour contract becomes 30 hours). Royal Mail know the majority of PT staff do more than their contracted hours in the form of OT anyway.
The company gets out of a huge payment which could put it in a dire financial position and tip it over the edge, and me and other PT staff get more contracted hours which simply replaces the extra hours we do on OT. It then means we have extra prep time. Win win.
In my office the payments will cost more to pay the full timers than part timers. Full timers do more overtime than part timers in my office. It isn't just part timers who are owed this holiday pay, the overall cost to royal mail if they have to settle every case individualy will probably bankrupt the company and I bet the cwu know this. There will be an agreement to settle all outstanding payments within a future pay deal with everyone getting a set lump sum, you wait and see
citypostie wrote:There will be an agreement to settle all outstanding payments within a future pay deal with everyone getting a set lump sum, you wait and see
But that doesn’t end it though does it. If somebody is owed something in law and a court can rule that, any deal the union does won’t override that fact and people can still claim what they are legal owed. They have always been treading a fine line with these part time contracts they have been offering them expecting them to work 50 hours a week. It’s backfiring in a massive way now. Maybe what they have got away without paying over the years outweighs what they are going to get hit with but yes as you have pointed out people don’t realise how serious this will be for the business. I don’t do much docket maybe 3 or 4 hours a week if I overrun but if i have been getting ripped off in the eyes of the law then yes I certainly want it.
Had to double prep for years, always got lumbered with a P/T because managers thought it'd make me work faster because I was on a monstrous walk and always being behind everyone else. Fuc£ing nightmare to do two walks everyday and it should have never been brought in. One of their biggest clangers ever having multiple start times causes so much unnecessary stress and imbalances in overall workloads.
Won't be long before you're all working on the "Dutch model" the union were banging on about 10 years ago with F/T staff doing all the indoor prep and P/T staff only coming in to pick up delivery once it's ready OR from a drop off point somewhere outdoors.
citypostie wrote: There will be an agreement to settle all outstanding payments within a future pay deal with everyone getting a set lump sum, you wait and see
That will only cause more problems than it solves. Especially if they make it pro rata which is ridiculous but not unlikely.
Why should I, regularly doing 20-30 hours overtime, accept the same (or potentially smaller) payment as the work to timers? PT/FT whatever. Some people genuinely aren't owed anything, a larger number are owed very little and some people are owed thousands with the majority at varying levels in between. You can't just throw 50p an hour and a few hundred each at the problem.
On topic though, I'd rather someone throw mech in at the most. And only if it's sequenced. I prefer going out later to getting out there and having 10 missorts every bundle, parcels all over the place in a style Jackson Pollock would admire on the frame etc.
Jackson Pollock throw off....
Funny Sunday made me laugh....we should get this practice filmed and soundtracked by our friends in the north The Roses....I wanna be adored I am the resurrection are you made of stone!
Oh yes,the days of double prep. I did this for about 4yrs. Was paired up with a PT fella that didn’t start until after 9.30am. Other people would be rushing out of the door whilst I was still doing the redirections on my partners duty. Plenty of arguments with my Lino & DOM as to why we were leaving a row in or couldn’t take our lapsing most days. Fun times!
k979aaa wrote:318 went 15 years ago in our office as directed or make it up as you go along stick your head in the sand and blame someone else!
318s have (or at least all the tmie I've worked for RM) had "or as directed" on them anyway
We have duties with numbers and a frame with the same number and a van with you guessed it no book no duty or description your 318 is the duty roster posted diligently on a Friday afternoon how thoughtful of them?
k979aaa wrote:318 went 15 years ago in our office as directed or make it up as you go along stick your head in the sand and blame someone else!
318s have (or at least all the tmie I've worked for RM) had "or as directed" on them anyway
Yes they always have, but you still have a start time, break time and finish time. In between it might say sort get get from 8am til 9am, then into platform for 40 minutes and because there's not enough work they usually said ( as directed by jv5/4). Like we went looking for him/ her not. Then again during the tightening my start time was 2212 and my first and only load of 18 York's was to cambuslang DO at 04.45. Then home. Most other drivers from Glasgow central fleet slept through their shift. Good times.
k979aaa wrote:318 went 15 years ago in our office as directed or make it up as you go along stick your head in the sand and blame someone else!
318s have (or at least all the tmie I've worked for RM) had "or as directed" on them anyway
Yes they always have, but you still have a start time, break time and finish time. In between it might say sort get get from 8am til 9am, then into platform for 40 minutes and because there's not enough work they usually said ( as directed by jv5/4). Like we went looking for him/ her not. Then again during the tightening my start time was 2212 and my first and only load of 18 York's was to cambuslang DO at 04.45. Then home. Most other drivers from Glasgow central fleet slept through their shift. Good times.
I wouldn't put it past RM to franchise out the RDC-RDC, RDC-MC and MC-MC runs to Eddie Stobbart or other similar company at some point.
k979aaa wrote:318 went 15 years ago in our office as directed or make it up as you go along stick your head in the sand and blame someone else!
318s have (or at least all the tmie I've worked for RM) had "or as directed" on them anyway
Yes they always have, but you still have a start time, break time and finish time. In between it might say sort get get from 8am til 9am, then into platform for 40 minutes and because there's not enough work they usually said ( as directed by jv5/4). Like we went looking for him/ her not. Then again during the tightening my start time was 2212 and my first and only load of 18 York's was to cambuslang DO at 04.45. Then home. Most other drivers from Glasgow central fleet slept through their shift. Good times.
I wouldn't put it past RM to franchise out the RDC-RDC, RDC-MC and MC-MC runs to Eddie Stobbart or other similar company at some point.
why RM is the biggest distribution in the whole UK they will go with 5g tec and auto trucks 17 tonne first and it will filter down and the end is driver less tec ie class 2 licences will be worth nothing .
