Van sharing when 1 metre?

[postieblueshirt]

I would imagine most people who want van sharing to resume are like me,the unfortunate penalised worker that so happens to be able to drive that I get shed loads more work and responsibilities which is very unfair,the guys I'n my office no licence have been laughing for months oh look at all those oversize sucks to be you!!!

Why dont they take them in a LWT like guys in my office who dont drive have been doing?

Unfortunately there all taking advantage of the situation even putting items smaller than shoebox back in the oversize York's behind your back.van share should never have been brought in it was better when it was packet duties and bag drops.

[SpacePhoenix]

I wouldn't be surprised if RM were looking at the hours used all around the country and will decide eventually if they're going to keep split shifts

[1560loopsayear]

Trouble is two walk duties shared (i.e. 12+ (40 min) loops and packets/parcels) cannot be cleared in one day without van sharing. So when the current temporary relaxation to the Royal Mail Universal Service Obligation comes to and end....what then?

[Woody Guthrie]

Trouble is two walk duties shared (i.e. 12+ (40 min) loops and packets/parcels) cannot be cleared in one day without van sharing. So when the current temporary relaxation to the Royal Mail Universal Service Obligation comes to and end....what then?

One problem is that we're judging things on the current level of parcels.

If you're going to do that then to be fair it's doubtful that van sharing would have cleared the two duties anyway.

The parcel volumes are similar to Christmas and we don't clear then.

If you were dealing with normal volumes and the situation was managed better (for instance giving the non driver an extra loop to allow large parcel delivery) it could work.

What we also have to understand is that the plan is to remove large parcels and Tracked from letter deliveries.

[Cucumber]

Trouble is two walk duties shared (i.e. 12+ (40 min) loops and packets/parcels) cannot be cleared in one day without van sharing. So when the current temporary relaxation to the Royal Mail Universal Service Obligation comes to and end....what then?

One problem is that we're judging things on the current level of parcels.

If you're going to do that then to be fair it's doubtful that van sharing would have cleared the two duties anyway.

The parcel volumes are similar to Christmas and we don't clear then.

If you were dealing with normal volumes and the situation was managed better (for instance giving the non driver an extra loop to allow large parcel delivery) it could work.

What we also have to understand is that the plan is to remove large parcels and Tracked from letter deliveries.

Given the drop in letters and increase in parcels/packets we tried to go down the route of giving the non driver 1-2 extra loops of mail only, plus packets that would post through doors (i.e. taking no longer than a letter). It was flatly refused by the non drivers as they wanted to keep things nice and hassle free, management simply not interested in changing duty structures to enable it. There must be literally hundreds of planning staff doing very little for RM just now (I can't imagine revisions etc are going ahead through this), so I can't understand why they haven't been repurposed to come up with some emergency planning.

[SpacePhoenix]

I won't be surprised if RM decide to keep the split shifts permanently, they must be getting better utilisation of all the vans, just 1 maybe 2 of the vans would need to be dedicated to delivering SDs. Depending on the number of vans, maybe they could even have the LAT stuff delivered with each DO sending a van to collect the LAT stuff from the local hub

[citypostie]

If they are going to keep split shifts I feel sorry for the mugs that volunteered to do it, they've all had enough now. When they started the early people where encouraged to get done early to get the vans back, now that's stopped and people are told not to come back early or they'll be sent back out. The result, the late starters are waiting upto 2 hours for vans to get back! And they and the managers know people are hanging it out upto their finish times. Think most will be returning to normal start times soon. If split shifts are here to stay they need to do a revision and have a repick. I'm guessing all late starts will be part time duties because you need the full timers in early to do the indoor work

[SpacePhoenix]

If they are going to keep split shifts I feel sorry for the mugs that volunteered to do it, they've all had enough now. When they started the early people where encouraged to get done early to get the vans back, now that's stopped and people are told not to come back early or they'll be sent back out. The result, the late starters are waiting upto 2 hours for vans to get back! And they and the managers know people are hanging it out upto their finish times. Think most will be returning to normal start times soon. If split shifts are here to stay they need to do a revision and have a repick. I'm guessing all late starts will be part time duties because you need the full timers in early to do the indoor work

Some of them late starts could be hybrid duties, doing collections with collections from large/bulk customers and larger PO branches still being done by the local MC. Potentially some could do LAT items.

I wish we could get a breakdown of the average number of LAT items per DO (if the each DO had delivered its own LAT items)

[Cucumber]

If they are going to keep split shifts I feel sorry for the mugs that volunteered to do it, they've all had enough now. When they started the early people where encouraged to get done early to get the vans back, now that's stopped and people are told not to come back early or they'll be sent back out. The result, the late starters are waiting upto 2 hours for vans to get back! And they and the managers know people are hanging it out upto their finish times. Think most will be returning to normal start times soon. If split shifts are here to stay they need to do a revision and have a repick. I'm guessing all late starts will be part time duties because you need the full timers in early to do the indoor work

If enough people are unhappy with the way things are just now, they simply need to turn up for work at their original start time and ask what they are to do.
People won't though, as there is far too much short sighted deals/gains being made from the current situation.

[Dindin]

If they are going to keep split shifts I feel sorry for the mugs that volunteered to do it, they've all had enough now. When they started the early people where encouraged to get done early to get the vans back, now that's stopped and people are told not to come back early or they'll be sent back out. The result, the late starters are waiting upto 2 hours for vans to get back! And they and the managers know people are hanging it out upto their finish times. Think most will be returning to normal start times soon. If split shifts are here to stay they need to do a revision and have a repick. I'm guessing all late starts will be part time duties because you need the full timers in early to do the indoor work

Do you know what a split shift is?

[wallan]

If they are going to keep split shifts I feel sorry for the mugs that volunteered to do it, they've all had enough now. When they started the early people where encouraged to get done early to get the vans back, now that's stopped and people are told not to come back early or they'll be sent back out. The result, the late starters are waiting upto 2 hours for vans to get back! And they and the managers know people are hanging it out upto their finish times. Think most will be returning to normal start times soon. If split shifts are here to stay they need to do a revision and have a repick. I'm guessing all late starts will be part time duties because you need the full timers in early to do the indoor work

Do you know what a split shift is?

In the Good Old Days 1st Delivery 0545 - 1000 , Finish , Restart 1600 - 2045 Collection ,Facing , OPS & Bag Tying

[Dindin]

If they are going to keep split shifts I feel sorry for the mugs that volunteered to do it, they've all had enough now. When they started the early people where encouraged to get done early to get the vans back, now that's stopped and people are told not to come back early or they'll be sent back out. The result, the late starters are waiting upto 2 hours for vans to get back! And they and the managers know people are hanging it out upto their finish times. Think most will be returning to normal start times soon. If split shifts are here to stay they need to do a revision and have a repick. I'm guessing all late starts will be part time duties because you need the full timers in early to do the indoor work

Do you know what a split shift is?

In the Good Old Days 1st Delivery 0545 - 1000 , Finish , Restart 1600 - 2045 Collection ,Facing , OPS & Bag Tying

That's what I thought. 500 -930 delivering 1600-1800 collection.

[Ashley’s]

We have been told we can go back to van sharing when the 1 meter kicks in but only if we want to, they have said as long as we both wear gloves and a mask all should be ok, after all it’s not like we are in the van all day together and as driving instructors are going to be doing this then I suppose we could also but only off course if this was something both parties agreed to - I mean at the moment walks are sitting with a weeks plus mail at least and with 2 in a van we would certainly clear much more than what’s currently been done at the moment. And I know many of you’s will agree with me when I say everyone seems to have become so much lazier recently due to managers not managing and not giving a toss what’s going out and what’s getting left!

[steve1873]

We have been told we can go back to van sharing when the 1 meter kicks in but only if we want to, they have said as long as we both wear gloves and a mask all should be ok, after all it’s not like we are in the van all day together and as driving instructors are going to be doing this then I suppose we could also but only off course if this was something both parties agreed to - I mean at the moment walks are sitting with a weeks plus mail at least and with 2 in a van we would certainly clear much more than what’s currently been done at the moment. And I know many of you’s will agree with me when I say everyone seems to have become so much lazier recently due to managers not managing and not giving a toss what’s going out and what’s getting left!

Woah Woah Woah! Told by whom?

Van sharing has been banned on a national level. Until an announcement is made that retracts that ban on a national level then NOBODY should be van sharing, nor should any manager be permitting this practice.

[citypostie]

If they are going to keep split shifts I feel sorry for the mugs that volunteered to do it, they've all had enough now. When they started the early people where encouraged to get done early to get the vans back, now that's stopped and people are told not to come back early or they'll be sent back out. The result, the late starters are waiting upto 2 hours for vans to get back! And they and the managers know people are hanging it out upto their finish times. Think most will be returning to normal start times soon. If split shifts are here to stay they need to do a revision and have a repick. I'm guessing all late starts will be part time duties because you need the full timers in early to do the indoor work

Do you know what a split shift is?

You know that when talking about split shifts at the moment everyone means the current arrangement they've brought in with people starting later to aid social distancing