A2B wrote:What changes do you see in your crystal balls that wipes out HCT use?
That it doesn’t make sense to use them anymore when it’s a parcel led business as you are covering the same ground twice with 2 members of staff. I hope I am wrong but that would be the logical business case imo.
That's a fair point but unless RM say "sorry we are no longer accepting mail or advertising leaflets we are only delivering parcels" i believe there's still room for the walking postie.
We will never see it but somewhere there will be a spreadsheet on how much it costs to deliver a walk via HCT compared to delivering via a van including fuel, maintenence and insurance.
A2B wrote:What changes do you see in your crystal balls that wipes out HCT use?
That it doesn’t make sense to use them anymore when it’s a parcel led business as you are covering the same ground twice with 2 members of staff. I hope I am wrong but that would be the logical business case imo.
That's a fair point but unless RM say "sorry we are no longer accepting mail or advertising leaflets we are only delivering parcels" i believe there's still room for the walking postie.
We will never see it but somewhere there will be a spreadsheet on how much it costs to deliver a walk via HCT compared to delivering via a van including fuel, maintenence and insurance.
Well you need to reduce HCT posties hours or give them more post as their job is too easy for a start. Paid 30mins to an hour for free at the end of their shifts.
A2B wrote:What changes do you see in your crystal balls that wipes out HCT use?
That it doesn’t make sense to use them anymore when it’s a parcel led business as you are covering the same ground twice with 2 members of staff. I hope I am wrong but that would be the logical business case imo.
That's a fair point but unless RM say "sorry we are no longer accepting mail or advertising leaflets we are only delivering parcels" i believe there's still room for the walking postie.
We will never see it but somewhere there will be a spreadsheet on how much it costs to deliver a walk via HCT compared to delivering via a van including fuel, maintenence and insurance.
Well you need to reduce HCT posties hours or give them more post as their job is too easy for a start. Paid 30mins to an hour for free at the end of their shifts.
How can you make such a sweeping statement yoi're obviously talking about what happens in your office and have no idea what goes on outside that
A2B wrote:What changes do you see in your crystal balls that wipes out HCT use?
That it doesn’t make sense to use them anymore when it’s a parcel led business as you are covering the same ground twice with 2 members of staff. I hope I am wrong but that would be the logical business case imo.
That's a fair point but unless RM say "sorry we are no longer accepting mail or advertising leaflets we are only delivering parcels" i believe there's still room for the walking postie.
We will never see it but somewhere there will be a spreadsheet on how much it costs to deliver a walk via HCT compared to delivering via a van including fuel, maintenence and insurance.
Well you need to reduce HCT posties hours or give them more post as their job is too easy for a start. Paid 30mins to an hour for free at the end of their shifts.
This reminds me of the time around colleague shares...
We went from making a million a day one year to losing a million a day the next when nothing had changed!
I can't 100% remember but I think the union looked into it and it was all clever accounting buying failing business's abroad etc.
They have preached in work time learning letters make no money we need to be a parcel firm then when it happens someone very high up told me the margins are terrible on packets and it's frightening how little mail we have
They are really trying to drop the USO and then watch the profits bounce back I hope the regulator sees through it because they've destroyed a really good business to make themselves rich whilst putting stupid pressure particularly on front line staff
A2B wrote:What changes do you see in your crystal balls that wipes out HCT use?
That it doesn’t make sense to use them anymore when it’s a parcel led business as you are covering the same ground twice with 2 members of staff. I hope I am wrong but that would be the logical business case imo.
We regularly have 3 people covering the same ground on the same day. 2 on the duty, 1 doing the excess oversize that can't be managed.
Bit confused as to how this adds up, is this two people using HTC's but would normally van share?
2 people in a van share (one leaving from office meeting other in street). They will take as much mail and parcels they can manage, then a third person often does the excess parcels on overtime. So yes, 3 people over the space of 6 hours covering the same 2 walks. It's incredibly inefficient. It's not often that people have got time to sift through all parcels, so effectively you could have postie (a) putting a letter through the door, postie (b) who is the driver of the partnership taking a parcel to the same door, then 2 hours later postie (c) taking another parcel to the door which got left in earlier. Believe me, it does happen.
A2B wrote:How can you make such a sweeping statement yoi're obviously talking about what happens in your office and have no idea what goes on outside that
Well seeing as 100% of the guys/girls with the HCT's finish a lot earlier than those who go out in the vans and a HCT is only so big that you can only fit a certain amount of mail/parcels inside one, I am pretty confident that my 'sweeping statement' is highly likely accurate in most if not all cases.
Look at the size of a van versus a HCT.
Or just look at Xmas for a blatantly obvious example of the differences between those who take a van to those who take a HCT.....again the HCT can't fit bugga all in it compared to a van. Vans are rammed at xmas time.
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The changes people will have to accept will centre around start times and attendance patterns with the probability that far more duties will be assigned due to suitability rather than on a seniority basis.
For example a non driver may have limited choice when it comes to a repick and may be assigned to an HCT duty whether they want it or not, some staff may be assigned to afternoon shifts if they have no justifiable reason not to, some drivers may be assigned to reserve duties even if they're senior enough to pick a duty, in fact the whole idea of posties choosing where or when they work could disappear with the only guarantee that you'll get your contracted hours.
If you can accept that there will be a job for you, if you can't (and they know a lot won't) then there may not be a job for you.
Woody Guthrie wrote:The changes people will have to accept will centre around start times and attendance patterns with the probability that far more duties will be assigned due to suitability rather than on a seniority basis.
For example a non driver may have limited choice when it comes to a repick and may be assigned to an HCT duty whether they want it or not, some staff may be assigned to afternoon shifts if they have no justifiable reason not to, some drivers may be assigned to reserve duties even if they're senior enough to pick a duty, in fact the whole idea of posties choosing where or when they work could disappear with the only guarantee that you'll get your contracted hours.
If you can accept that there will be a job for you, if you can't (and they know a lot won't) then there may not be a job for you.
Does all this run in tandem with single van occupancy remaining in your view?
A2B wrote:How can you make such a sweeping statement yoi're obviously talking about what happens in your office and have no idea what goes on outside that
Well seeing as 100% of the guys/girls with the HCT's finish a lot earlier than those who go out in the vans and a HCT is only so big that you can only fit a certain amount of mail/parcels inside one, I am pretty confident that my 'sweeping statement' is highly likely accurate is most if not all cases.
Look at the size of a van versus a HCT.
Obviously the duty structures in your office are wrong then!
You can get a 4.5hr delivery span of mail and regular packets into a HCT (pre COVID), based on your argument you should be driving a HGV and taking every parcel in the office
One thing that would probably make a big difference in many DOs if if they were to have a couple of staff take out vans and do all the SDs for the office and maybe the very largest oversize as well
SpacePhoenix wrote:One thing that would probably make a big difference in many DOs if if they were to have a couple of staff take out vans and do all the SDs for the office and maybe the very largest oversize as well
That already happens in some offices, dedicated packet duties
Unless some other company comes along that could deliver letters, there's no way that either OFCOM or the government would just RM dump letters entirely
mark.cup wrote:This reminds me of the time around colleague shares...
We went from making a million a day one year to losing a million a day the next when nothing had changed!
I can't 100% remember but I think the union looked into it and it was all clever accounting buying failing business's abroad etc.
They have preached in work time learning letters make no money we need to be a parcel firm then when it happens someone very high up told me the margins are terrible on packets and it's frightening how little mail we have
They are really trying to drop the USO and then watch the profits bounce back I hope the regulator sees through it because they've destroyed a really good business to make themselves rich whilst putting stupid pressure particularly on front line staff
I've been repeatedly saying this for a long time, RM have a long history of 'cooking the books' even pre-privatisation... the only difference is RM cook the books to make profits look down and the business prospects grim so they can use it as a stick to beat the posties with.
yoi're obviously talking about what happens in your office and have no idea what goes on outside that 
