Pegasus?

[brothermagrew]

ive been trained on geo route and yes if all the info is correctly input into the system it is a a good tool and it will add walks into the majority of offices....management dont want this so they will and have manipulated the figures to suit themselves....they want call rate figures as low as possible, up the walk speed and various other little tweaks.
when we ran the scenarios in our office it added 2 duties and even with management manipulation it left us the same as we are now
they had a bit of a hiccup though as the system was turned off to allow ordance survey to update there maps and when it was turned back on the system didnt work properly.......led to believe there could be a 6 month time scale to put right all those offices already done
typical RM...could organise a bunk up in a brothel

Eh hooniebagoonie have heard of pegasus or geo route as it is now called but what's a brothel?

[Tamsky]

Is that where they sell soup bro magrew?

[k979aaa]

ive been trained on geo route and yes if all the info is correctly input into the system it is a a good tool and it will add walks into the majority of offices....management dont want this so they will and have manipulated the figures to suit themselves....they want call rate figures as low as possible, up the walk speed and various other little tweaks.
when we ran the scenarios in our office it added 2 duties and even with management manipulation it left us the same as we are now
they had a bit of a hiccup though as the system was turned off to allow ordance survey to update there maps and when it was turned back on the system didnt work properly.......led to believe there could be a 6 month time scale to put right all those offices already done
typical RM...could organise a bunk up in a brothel

For this is what happen's when manager's have to make 5% saveing's year on year in twenty year's it will be for free ie we should do it for nothing would these two agree to that on their own inflated salary's :cfo & :lfo

[leiwolf]

How do we know that what pegagus tells us and what the managers tells us are true?

[jemima]

You could make a spreadsheet for your walk, with how far you have to walk (multiplied by your walking speed), how many houses you visit and on average how long the driveways are (also multiplied by your walking speed), how long it takes to post something through a letter box (multiplied by the number of houses), how long to collect pouches, how many signatures you have to get and however long that ought to take etc etc and compare that with what you get from georoute. It'll take a while to do but once you have the template you can use it for other duties in your office and compare them. You won't have the map data that georoute has but you don't really need that unless you're working out route changes. Once you have a set route you can calculate how long it should take, and you can include all factors you think are relevant, which georoute might leave out.

[dvbuk55]

You could make a spreadsheet for your walk, with how far you have to walk (multiplied by your walking speed), how many houses you visit and on average how long the driveways are (also multiplied by your walking speed), how long it takes to post something through a letter box (multiplied by the number of houses), how long to collect pouches, how many signatures you have to get and however long that ought to take etc etc and compare that with what you get from georoute. It'll take a while to do but once you have the template you can use it for other duties in your office and compare them. You won't have the map data that georoute has but you don't really need that unless you're working out route changes. Once you have a set route you can calculate how long it should take, and you can include all factors you think are relevant, which georoute might leave out.

Yes you could do that - but why would you?

[TrueBlueTerrier]

Eh hooniebagoonie have heard of pegasus or geo route as it is now called but what's a brothel?

Actually they are all the same, you enter and agree a price once its all done and dusted your fcuked.

[jemima]

dvbuk55, you wouldn't want to make a spreadsheet for walks unless there's a problem with georoute-suggested timing.

I've done something similar for driving routes, in a previous job. They said, "We think this route should take 3 hours", when they used their route calculator software, and I found it took 3 and a half hours. So I made a spreadsheet that used the distance/speed limit information that they were using, and then I added the things that they had left out, such as right turns taking longer at peak traffic times, slowing to stop points and accelerating away from them reducing my average speed, waiting for a clear path past parked cars (it was a wide vehicle I was using), etc.. Then the times I was taking to complete the route made sense, and my timings were accepted as correct. (Shortly after that a tracking system was brought in and they used the average timings from the tracking to suggest route changes that actually made sense, but that won't apply to postmen on foot.)

[dvbuk55]

dvbuk55, you wouldn't want to make a spreadsheet for walks unless there's a problem with georoute-suggested timing.

I've done something similar for driving routes, in a previous job. They said, "We think this route should take 3 hours", when they used their route calculator software, and I found it took 3 and a half hours. So I made a spreadsheet that used the distance/speed limit information that they were using, and then I added the things that they had left out, such as right turns taking longer at peak traffic times, slowing to stop points and accelerating away from them reducing my average speed, waiting for a clear path past parked cars (it was a wide vehicle I was using), etc.. Then the times I was taking to complete the route made sense, and my timings were accepted as correct. (Shortly after that a tracking system was brought in and they used the average timings from the tracking to suggest route changes that actually made sense, but that won't apply to postmen on foot.)

I understood perfectly what you said and I'm not exactly a stranger to spreadsheets - my question was why would you? The onus is on the company to provide the solution - if they say it takes 3 hours, 5 hours, etc and it takes longer - or indeed less time - the solution should be provided by them without any help from well intentioned employees. The failing is theirs.

[jemima]

The difficulty comes if the employer thinks they have provided the solution and they then think that you are trying to cheat them when you say they're wrong. For some reason, having a set of figures to prove you're right seems to help persuade them that you may have a valid point after all. It's about taking control of a situation.

I expect RM managers wouldn't let that happen though

[milly8473]

our pegasus said we needed 4 or 5 new walks in the office but hey presto as if by magic the manager got it down to not needing any new staff, i just think the managers do what the hell they want and its only gonna get worse seeing as somehow we agreed to the deal(i dunno what the hells gone on)