' Idling ' the only concern.

bogstandard · Post by **bogstandard** » 16 Jun 2020, 08:49

rambo1 wrote:
cpsteve wrote:Just turn the engine of if you need to talk on the phone or with someone cutting costs this way can only be good, stop start should be on the vans to prevent this. As for talking and pottering about no problem but do not claim ot that is asking for trouble and taking the p.
The point is, the vans aren't stop start technology are they. They may save a few pennies in fuel but are gonna pay out more when batteries and starter motors start to prematurely fail. On a rural, you'd be switching van on and off over 100 times a day. Switch off ,even if you are down a farm and 5 steps from the letter box. That's what I'm told. So I do it. The day the starter motor goes though, I'll be coming back to the office, not waiting for rac and then finishing my delivery.

Perhaps it's because we work in different areas, but i don't see how you can argue for not securing the vehicle when you are away from it. these problems you highlight, from my point of view, are not ours to resolve before they have even happened.

Post by **SpacePhoenix** » 16 Jun 2020, 09:52

bogstandard wrote:
rambo1 wrote:
cpsteve wrote:Just turn the engine of if you need to talk on the phone or with someone cutting costs this way can only be good, stop start should be on the vans to prevent this. As for talking and pottering about no problem but do not claim ot that is asking for trouble and taking the p.
The point is, the vans aren't stop start technology are they. They may save a few pennies in fuel but are gonna pay out more when batteries and starter motors start to prematurely fail. On a rural, you'd be switching van on and off over 100 times a day. Switch off ,even if you are down a farm and 5 steps from the letter box. That's what I'm told. So I do it. The day the starter motor goes though, I'll be coming back to the office, not waiting for rac and then finishing my delivery.
Perhaps it's because we work in different areas, but i don't see how you can argue for not securing the vehicle when you are away from it. these problems you highlight, from my point of view, are not ours to resolve before they have even happened.

I don't now if IB do random checks but it would only take a manager or IB to find the van parked with the engine running and you not near it once and you'd be gone

Post by **rambo1** » 16 Jun 2020, 14:54

SpacePhoenix wrote:
bogstandard wrote:
rambo1 wrote:
cpsteve wrote:Just turn the engine of if you need to talk on the phone or with someone cutting costs this way can only be good, stop start should be on the vans to prevent this. As for talking and pottering about no problem but do not claim ot that is asking for trouble and taking the p.
The point is, the vans aren't stop start technology are they. They may save a few pennies in fuel but are gonna pay out more when batteries and starter motors start to prematurely fail. On a rural, you'd be switching van on and off over 100 times a day. Switch off ,even if you are down a farm and 5 steps from the letter box. That's what I'm told. So I do it. The day the starter motor goes though, I'll be coming back to the office, not waiting for rac and then finishing my delivery.
Perhaps it's because we work in different areas, but i don't see how you can argue for not securing the vehicle when you are away from it. these problems you highlight, from my point of view, are not ours to resolve before they have even happened.
I don't now if IB do random checks but it would only take a manager or IB to find the van parked with the engine running and you not near it once and you'd be gone

For the record, I would never leave it running and unlocked if I had to walk more than a few steps and never on the roadside. Just in a farmyard when there's nobody else in view and the delivery point is 5-10 steps away, seems a bit like overkill.

robbertwhitton · Post by **robbertwhitton** » 16 Jun 2020, 19:01

Totally agree with all the security measures that you should adhere to etc, shame like all delivery aspects in doing the job safely,securely,and properly,you would soon run out of time,they just assume you do it,but in fact cut corners and sacrifice the correct way so you can complete the duty in the time you have,and run the gauntlet from a sarcastic manager,over the years we don’t help ourselves on issues,and certainly don’t get much backing,the job is somewhat archaic now to say the least,maybe it’ll appear on a wtll session,here’s how you should be delivering the mail,both hct and van delivery,should be an eye opener?

andyman606 · Post by **andyman606** » 16 Jun 2020, 19:16

Can we stop half the office idling whilst the other half do all the work? Nah nope la la la.

Cucumber · Post by **Cucumber** » 17 Jun 2020, 18:55

Just had a thought.

We are currently using some vans as glorified drop boxes. The driver goes out and meets the passenger and gives them a key and the van can sit in that area for about an hour as both can work from it doing 2 loops each, parking at a crossroads for instance.
Now, what's the actual legalities of a passenger being in charge of that vehicle at any point in time, given that all they are doing is accessing the back/side door and taking a bag of mail out.

Post by **SpacePhoenix** » 17 Jun 2020, 19:23

Cucumber wrote:Just had a thought.

We are currently using some vans as glorified drop boxes. The driver goes out and meets the passenger and gives them a key and the van can sit in that area for about an hour as both can work from it doing 2 loops each, parking at a crossroads for instance.
Now, what's the actual legalities of a passenger being in charge of that vehicle at any point in time, given that all they are doing is accessing the back/side door and taking a bag of mail out.

I would have thought that it'd be the driver who'd legally be responsible, as they will have signed for the van

robbertwhitton · Post by **robbertwhitton** » 17 Jun 2020, 21:32

I dare say as with most things in this inconsistent firm they will throw the book at you as and when they feel like it,some will get shafted others won’t,be interesting to see how much union intervention they will put up with,so many questions after 38 years service,just brilliant!,

Decky Boy · Post by **Decky Boy** » 18 Jun 2020, 16:34

eldritch1987 wrote:I wouldn't eat anything in the van with the threat of covid.

SANITISE YOUR HANDS
PROTECT THE BUTTIE
IT'LL SAVE YOUR LIFE

k979aaa · Post by **k979aaa** » 20 Jun 2020, 01:41

The only thing Iding is the manager.

andyman606 · Post by **andyman606** » 20 Jun 2020, 03:13

masterblaster · Post by **masterblaster** » 21 Jun 2020, 19:40

If they don't want the vans idling, then why buy vans that have stop-start that stop the engine when you stop, then start again when you open the drivers door!

Celgar · Post by **Celgar** » 22 Jun 2020, 20:21

SpacePhoenix wrote:Does the Trimble record the GPS location of any idling time?

Yes. To the postcode at the least if not closer.

Post by **SpacePhoenix** » 22 Jun 2020, 20:44

Celgar wrote:
SpacePhoenix wrote:Does the Trimble record the GPS location of any idling time?
Yes. To the postcode at the least if not closer.

That combined with the GPS location of any PDA scans means they can possibly see if anyone has left their van un-attended with the engine running