Cucumber wrote:2m distancing in the workplace is here to stay for at least the rest of 2020, can someone tell my why the union wouldn't support staggered attendances if it meant a safe working environment with little/no redundancies?
if the airlines start up their holiday plans (June has been mentioned) then they are effectively confirming that 'social distancing' is no longer an issue. this being the case, you can bet your boots RM will follow suit.
I'd love to read the small print on liability should you contract Covid on a plane you have chosen to travel on. Employers on the other hand have a legal duty of care.
I know of a lot of employers that have told their staff to work from home to allow social distancing - at huge cost - for at least the next 6 months. They are locked into long term rental agreements, so it's not as if they are doing it to move premises and save on rent etc. RM very publicly went to single drivers and there is no way back from that anytime soon as it equates to other companies that are telling staff to work from home, to just come in. All that said, they may look into ways of safely having 2 people in a vehicle, if it can be done.
Cucumber wrote:2m distancing in the workplace is here to stay for at least the rest of 2020, can someone tell my why the union wouldn't support staggered attendances if it meant a safe working environment with little/no redundancies?
if the airlines start up their holiday plans (June has been mentioned) then they are effectively confirming that 'social distancing' is no longer an issue. this being the case, you can bet your boots RM will follow suit.
I'd love to read the small print on liability should you contract Covid on a plane you have chosen to travel on. Employers on the other hand have a legal duty of care.
I know of a lot of employers that have told their staff to work from home to allow social distancing - at huge cost - for at least the next 6 months. They are locked into long term rental agreements, so it's not as if they are doing it to move premises and save on rent etc. RM very publicly went to single drivers and there is no way back from that anytime soon as it equates to other companies that are telling staff to work from home, to just come in. All that said, they may look into ways of safely having 2 people in a vehicle, if it can be done.
airlines are employers. they are saying they will go bust if social distancing carries on much longer. there is a multitude of businesses that will fold if social distancing is extended. it is not financial sustainable.
daveyeff wrote:the thing is though. you can't social distance on a plane. and i can't for the life of me see them stopping crowds returning to the football games or not being allowed in the pubs. so effectively social distancing will in most likelyhood be scrapped in the next couple of months.
Obviously not been following the news but football is likely to be behind close doors till the end of season, some clubs have started offering refunds of remaining games to season ticket holders.Think we're a few months off pubs opening in any sort of normal way yet.
Cucumber wrote:2m distancing in the workplace is here to stay for at least the rest of 2020, can someone tell my why the union wouldn't support staggered attendances if it meant a safe working environment with little/no redundancies?
if the airlines start up their holiday plans (June has been mentioned) then they are effectively confirming that 'social distancing' is no longer an issue. this being the case, you can bet your boots RM will follow suit.
I'd love to read the small print on liability should you contract Covid on a plane you have chosen to travel on. Employers on the other hand have a legal duty of care.
I know of a lot of employers that have told their staff to work from home to allow social distancing - at huge cost - for at least the next 6 months. They are locked into long term rental agreements, so it's not as if they are doing it to move premises and save on rent etc. RM very publicly went to single drivers and there is no way back from that anytime soon as it equates to other companies that are telling staff to work from home, to just come in. All that said, they may look into ways of safely having 2 people in a vehicle, if it can be done.
airlines are employers. they are saying they will go bust if social distancing carries on much longer. there is a multitude of businesses that will fold if social distancing is extended. it is not financial sustainable.
The social distancing/lockdown/coronavirus is already resulting in airlines retiring their 747s, A380 and A340s, they were all moving over to 2 engine planes (the newer ones will be more fuel efficient, the current situation has resulted in them accelerating their plans. If too many airlines go bust, it'll have a knock-on affect for RM with mail leaving and coming into the UK
daveyeff wrote:the thing is though. you can't social distance on a plane. and i can't for the life of me see them stopping crowds returning to the football games or not being allowed in the pubs. so effectively social distancing will in most likelyhood be scrapped in the next couple of months.
Obviously not been following the news but football is likely to be behind close doors till the end of season, some clubs have started offering refunds of remaining games to season ticket holders.Think we're a few months off pubs opening in any sort of normal way yet.
course i have. and what i am saying is that none of it is financially sustainable. they all have to pay peoples wages. and with none or not enough income they will all fold.
Cucumber wrote:2m distancing in the workplace is here to stay for at least the rest of 2020, can someone tell my why the union wouldn't support staggered attendances if it meant a safe working environment with little/no redundancies?
if the airlines start up their holiday plans (June has been mentioned) then they are effectively confirming that 'social distancing' is no longer an issue. this being the case, you can bet your boots RM will follow suit.
I'd love to read the small print on liability should you contract Covid on a plane you have chosen to travel on. Employers on the other hand have a legal duty of care.
I know of a lot of employers that have told their staff to work from home to allow social distancing - at huge cost - for at least the next 6 months. They are locked into long term rental agreements, so it's not as if they are doing it to move premises and save on rent etc. RM very publicly went to single drivers and there is no way back from that anytime soon as it equates to other companies that are telling staff to work from home, to just come in. All that said, they may look into ways of safely having 2 people in a vehicle, if it can be done.
airlines are employers. they are saying they will go bust if social distancing carries on much longer. there is a multitude of businesses that will fold if social distancing is extended. it is not financial sustainable.
I never said they weren't?
However, your original point that because people can choose to sit on a plane means that RM will bring back shared vans are incomparable. You can bet that the staff of easyjet will be getting frequent tests, we won't be.
Cucumber wrote:2m distancing in the workplace is here to stay for at least the rest of 2020, can someone tell my why the union wouldn't support staggered attendances if it meant a safe working environment with little/no redundancies?
if the airlines start up their holiday plans (June has been mentioned) then they are effectively confirming that 'social distancing' is no longer an issue. this being the case, you can bet your boots RM will follow suit.
I'd love to read the small print on liability should you contract Covid on a plane you have chosen to travel on. Employers on the other hand have a legal duty of care.
I know of a lot of employers that have told their staff to work from home to allow social distancing - at huge cost - for at least the next 6 months. They are locked into long term rental agreements, so it's not as if they are doing it to move premises and save on rent etc. RM very publicly went to single drivers and there is no way back from that anytime soon as it equates to other companies that are telling staff to work from home, to just come in. All that said, they may look into ways of safely having 2 people in a vehicle, if it can be done.
airlines are employers. they are saying they will go bust if social distancing carries on much longer. there is a multitude of businesses that will fold if social distancing is extended. it is not financial sustainable.
I never said they weren't?
However, your original point that because people can choose to sit on a plane means that RM will bring back shared vans are incomparable. You can bet that the staff of easyjet will be getting frequent tests, we won't be.
cabin crew and pilots can't choose. and i was using it as a guide to what social distance will do to businesses if it is not removed. buses, and trains to get people to work. not enough income will cripple them, as it will with pubs/restaurants/sporting events...etc
Cucumber wrote:2m distancing in the workplace is here to stay for at least the rest of 2020, can someone tell my why the union wouldn't support staggered attendances if it meant a safe working environment with little/no redundancies?
if the airlines start up their holiday plans (June has been mentioned) then they are effectively confirming that 'social distancing' is no longer an issue. this being the case, you can bet your boots RM will follow suit.
I'd love to read the small print on liability should you contract Covid on a plane you have chosen to travel on. Employers on the other hand have a legal duty of care.
I know of a lot of employers that have told their staff to work from home to allow social distancing - at huge cost - for at least the next 6 months. They are locked into long term rental agreements, so it's not as if they are doing it to move premises and save on rent etc. RM very publicly went to single drivers and there is no way back from that anytime soon as it equates to other companies that are telling staff to work from home, to just come in. All that said, they may look into ways of safely having 2 people in a vehicle, if it can be done.
airlines are employers. they are saying they will go bust if social distancing carries on much longer. there is a multitude of businesses that will fold if social distancing is extended. it is not financial sustainable.
I think we both agree that offices could be cleared/worked more efficiently if it was managed better though.
I think we both agree that offices could be cleared/worked more efficiently if it was managed better though.
I never said they weren't?
However, your original point that because people can choose to sit on a plane means that RM will bring back shared vans are incomparable. You can bet that the staff of easyjet will be getting frequent tests, we won't be.
cabin crew and pilots can't choose. and i was using it as a guide to what social distance will do to businesses if it is not removed. buses, and trains to get people to work. not enough income will cripple them, as it will with pubs/restaurants/sporting events...etc
daveyeff wrote:the thing is though. you can't social distance on a plane. and i can't for the life of me see them stopping crowds returning to the football games or not being allowed in the pubs. so effectively social distancing will in most likelyhood be scrapped in the next couple of months.
Obviously not been following the news but football is likely to be behind close doors till the end of season, some clubs have started offering refunds of remaining games to season ticket holders.Think we're a few months off pubs opening in any sort of normal way yet.
course i have. and what i am saying is that none of it is financially sustainable. they all have to pay peoples wages. and with none or not enough income they will all fold.
The sad fact is a hell of a lot of individuals and massive companies will go under, things have changed forever it just hasn't sunk in yet
i agree. and totally understand why it was brought in. but the impact of social distancing is having a devastating effect on the economy and peoples lives. high contact intensive industries cannot cope with its method. and i think the governments advisers are going to scrap it before long.
daveyeff wrote:i agree. and totally understand why it was brought in. but the impact of social distancing is having a devastating effect on the economy and peoples lives. high contact intensive industries cannot cope with its method. and i think the governments advisers are going to scrap it before long.
True but we could also be back to square one in lockdown if we have another spike
daveyeff wrote:i agree. and totally understand why it was brought in. but the impact of social distancing is having a devastating effect on the economy and peoples lives. high contact intensive industries cannot cope with its method. and i think the governments advisers are going to scrap it before long.
I agree - it might all look pretty drawn up on a computer screen but totally impractical in real life. You just can’t function in day to day life like it.
We have staggered starts at our place which I did. However those that wouldn’t dare volunteer themselves to do it got the knock that we weren’t doing IPS and made such a song and dance that the DOM decided to give us lapse. Ended up with a York of lapse every day plus delivering missorts from the IPS. Ended up flat out to get it all done in the time while the early staff who kicked off and said that we only volunteered to do staggered shifts to get away with doing IPS were quite happy to go home after 6 hours!! When you’ve got these sort of issues in offices then RM will find it hard to keep social distance going because people won’t volunteer themselves to then get done over.
daveyeff wrote:i agree. and totally understand why it was brought in. but the impact of social distancing is having a devastating effect on the economy and peoples lives. high contact intensive industries cannot cope with its method. and i think the governments advisers are going to scrap it before long.
True but we could also be back to square one in lockdown if we have another spike
Yes that is also true as a was saying before.....if we get a second wave(God forbid)
Then it could be curtains for just about all of us.