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[gb93]

Divide & rule. Would be interesting if whole office or whole area refused what would they do

[2yearpostie]

So, current duty and attendance plans for tomorrow?
What if I go in tomorrow at usual time and a reserve member of staff has been told to deliver parcels only on my duty?
Do I just stand there?

if your due to go in, go in. if your rota is you off tomorrow stay at home. If you go in your DOM will tell you what you are doing . if you refuse they have been told to go down the discipline route.

You know they’ve been told to discipline do you? Handy to know before people make their decision

Well that's what we were told too

put another way as my dom did, who pays your wages rm or the union? Will the union pay your wages if you get sacked or suspended?

[Chelseablue]

Been told to do job as normally do , so thats what were doing

[crimson king]

In our DO we were told this morning that our nine day fortnights are gone and drivers go on rolling days off and non-drivers, drum roll and wait for it...are now now Monday to Friday. So, every Saturday off then...how's that for divide and rule?

Several drivers were joking about driving their vans into manager's cars to get taken off driving duties, but joking aside, this whole thing stinks to high heaven. And, as usual, we're all going to have to play the local DO lottery game where local DOMs and management interpret RM's vagueness in any way they see fit.

For example...we've been told that tomororw we can take the letters that didn't go out today...just as long as we do not take any letters that may come in tomorrow. I s**t you not.

[Acca Dacca]

I thought May 2nd tomorrow was last day we delivered letters on a. Saturday

So business as usual

[General Mannerheim]

Uncle Terry and Uncle Dave have just said it's only for six weeks.
It will go down as their Neville Chamberlain I have here a Rico Back letter in my hand moment.

[Acca Dacca]

Uncle Terry and Uncle Dave have just said it's only for six weeks.
It will go down as their Neville Chamberlain I have here a Rico Back letter in my hand moment.

Remember when absorption was just in the Summer.....

[nuisance]

So if you're a part timer who doesn't volunteer to adhere to the wholely unhelpful change of delaying Saturday's mail until Monday, will there be any mail to deliver on Saturday and will the full timers have volunteered to sort and prep it? This was a genius plan...

[2yearpostie]

So if you're a part timer who doesn't volunteer to adhere to the wholely unhelpful change of delaying Saturday's mail until Monday, will there be any mail to deliver on Saturday and will the full timers have volunteered to sort and prep it? This was a genius plan...

no because the mail centres aint sending any letters

[Dorset Plodder]

I think at least the latest Communications between RM and the CWU seem to have turned down the heat on this current confrontation. You might think it's more BS but at least they're talking, and it's been put down in writing.

The thing that upset the majority of people in my Unit was just the way RM said... "This is going to happen, get on with it...." and with the situation seeming to change on an hourly basis is was certainly very stressfull. At least RM have now confirmed it's a Temporary 6 week period, with fortnighly reviews. I wouldn't call it a victory for the CWU but at least they've kissed and made up and are now talking again, so at least it's a return to the status quo.

[HTPostman]

I had a sneak preview of what to expect. Not going to give too many specific details away so as not to identify me.

Yesterday I was on a 2 person/van share round. Obviously due to social distancing I was on the round on my own. I took EVERY packet bigger than letterbox size for both sides, all tracked including those tiny tracked parcels that will go through the letterbox and any letters that needed signing for. Plus specials, emptied boxes etc.

It’s one thing having say 100 oversized parcels then your normal mail bags in the back of the van, they can be organised in the back of the van fairly easily. When you have loose 250-300 tiny packets all stacked up and about 20 little recorded letters it’s impossible to organise them. You spend ages trying to find them in the back of the van. I eventually took 10 mins to put everything in sacks and bags based on area/street. In hindsight I should’ve done that indoors.

I like to do a parcel list so I know where they are for (I’ve a terrible memory!). You can’t do a packet list with that many parcels. I ended up putting them into bundles like you would with the mail and delivering using a bag. I still parked in the same spot you park for the loops, still walked the same loops, only difference was I was delivering packets not letters. Anything too big I delivered afterwards from the van, just like you do on park and loops.

It took 6hrs 30mins. I wasted about 5mins a loop putting everything in order (again in hindsight I should’ve prepped them into the frame and bundled up indoors). Take off that hour wasted ‘outdoor prep’ time and that’s about a 5hr 30 delivery for all packets for both sides.

If I’d have done the mail as well it would ‘only’ have added about 5mins a loop because I was still delivering tiny packets to # 1, 3, 7, 13, 15, 21...etc.

I don’t think it’s workable. Just think about it - on a normal residential park and loop I nstead of doing your 7 or 8 usual bags, you’re now expected to do the equivalent of 14/16 bags of packets - I reckon mail only accounts for 30% of what we deliver atm. So your bag might be 30% lighter, but you’re doing twice as many bags. Absolute madness!

And to think all that mail must then go a following day. It will be impossible for PTers on 5 hour days (assuming no OT allowed) to get done even if everything is prepped and loaded into the van ready for them which it won’t be. Plus most PTers don’t have their own round so can be dropped onto any round, they are clearly going to be slower.

Maybe if we ever get to normal quieter summer levels it might just be workable.

[citypostie]

I had a sneak preview of what to expect. Not going to give too many specific details away so as not to identify me.

Yesterday I was on a 2 person/van share round. Obviously due to social distancing I was on the round on my own. I took EVERY packet bigger than letterbox size for both sides, all tracked including those tiny tracked parcels that will go through the letterbox and any letters that needed signing for. Plus specials, emptied boxes etc.

It’s one thing having say 100 oversized parcels then your normal mail bags in the back of the van, they can be organised in the back of the van fairly easily. When you have loose 250-300 tiny packets all stacked up and about 20 little recorded letters it’s impossible to organise them. You spend ages trying to find them in the back of the van. I eventually took 10 mins to put everything in sacks and bags based on area/street. In hindsight I should’ve done that indoors.

I like to do a parcel list so I know where they are for (I’ve a terrible memory!). You can’t do a packet list with that many parcels. I ended up putting them into bundles like you would with the mail and delivering using a bag. I still parked in the same spot you park for the loops, still walked the same loops, only difference was I was delivering packets not letters. Anything too big I delivered afterwards from the van, just like you do on park and loops.

It took 6hrs 30mins. I wasted about 5mins a loop putting everything in order (again in hindsight I should’ve prepped them into the frame and bundled up indoors). Take off that hour wasted ‘outdoor prep’ time and that’s about a 5hr 30 delivery for all packets for both sides.

If I’d have done the mail as well it would ‘only’ have added about 5mins a loop because I was still delivering tiny packets to # 1, 3, 7, 13, 15, 21...etc.

I don’t think it’s workable. Just think about it - on a normal residential park and loop I nstead of doing your 7 or 8 usual bags, you’re now expected to do the equivalent of 14/16 bags of packets - I reckon mail only accounts for 30% of what we deliver atm. So your bag might be 30% lighter, but you’re doing twice as many bags. Absolute madness!

And to think all that mail must then go a following day. It will be impossible for PTers on 5 hour days (assuming no OT allowed) to get done even if everything is prepped and loaded into the van ready for them which it won’t be. Plus most PTers don’t have their own round so can be dropped onto any round, they are clearly going to be slower.

Maybe if we ever get to normal quieter summer levels it might just be workable.

After today's fiasco I'd say that is just about spot on! All the problems you mentioned and we ended up walking the loops as normal!

[Dindin]

it’s the junior people that will go.

Every revision I have ever seen in RM has been about removing indoor hours.
Less letters and increased automation has meant there is less need for indoor hours.
If (and that is a very big if) there are compulsory redundancies it will be the full time jobs that go. As they have been going by the thousands for the past few years anyway through VR and natural wastage.

Could they potentially say to a full-timer “you can keep your job, but due to operational needs, have to take a reduction to 20 hours”?

no

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