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[postslippete]

If they are expecting 100 parcels to be delivered in the 5hrs duty time on Saturday.

Then I expect to arrive at the depot, park up and have the van keys/log book in the van waiting for me, including all the parcels to be delivered in some kind of geographical order fully loaded in the van, and nicely written list of all the addressed I have to deliver the parcels too. The clock starts then. If not in reality and I have to do all of above, it will be 4 hrs delivery time.

To be fair most people tend to be in on a Saturday and especially during lockdown. Thing is once managers see you delivering all your parcels with ease,they will always stick more on you to deliver.

If it goes ahead I can see managers telling postie's to deliver in this order: specials and tracked and then recorded/normal packets. I have visions that little packets will get left on the frame or not even sorted.

[Dorset Plodder]

Extract fromthe latest CWU Communication dated 29th April:

"With immediate effect Representatives, and Members, should not cooperate or give any local agreement to management's plan"

"In defiance of the company's unilateral action, all members should continue to adhere to their current agreed duty/attendance arrangements".

Easier said than done I know, but at least now you know the CWU's view. I presume the Full Communication will arrive in the DOs Tomorrow, which will be handy as I know some units are planning to trial these "New Deliveries" on this and next Saturday..... before the launch of the Master Plan on the 11th.

[themailman]

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[FacesOfStone]

If they are expecting 100 parcels to be delivered in the 5hrs duty time on Saturday.

Then I expect to arrive at the depot, park up and have the van keys/log book in the van waiting for me, including all the parcels to be delivered in some kind of geographical order fully loaded in the van, and nicely written list of all the addressed I have to deliver the parcels too. The clock starts then. If not in reality and I have to do all of above, it will be 4 hrs delivery time.

Don’t forget taking your break, returning to the office and unloading / signing out.

[FacesOfStone]

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I'm presuming this is the case for England and Wales as well. Wallington weeks and jobshare gone, just like that.

Doubt it. Too many people on 20 hour contracts for that to be workable.

[Dorset Plodder]

Without a doubt.

Carrot has already been dangled in our area. 'easy day' 'early finish' 'job and go home'

We don't intend to just accept these changes, in my DO, and will be following the CWU's guidelines ref Not Agreeing to Changes, that said:

I'm struggling to get my head around how RM "Think" this is going to work, I'm sure they don't give a shite really and it's probably going to be similiar to when we lost the bikes..... and they were trying to tell us that using a LWT wouldn't take any longer!

On Saturdays we're only meant to be taking Parcels & Packets .... and because we'll be making so much time up they were proposing that we'd probably have to deliver the Parcels & Packets for the Duty next door. Great IF you're familiar with that Duty ...... but I wouldn't fancy driving around an unfamiliar rural duty ... On a Saturday.... trying to find some remote cottage in the arse end of nowhere. Our DOM said the PDAs have a Sat Nav feature you can use .... so now we'll be driving around looking like a Bloody Hermes Courier, asking Locals for directions!

I really hope we manage to get this kicked into touch.

[vinny79]

So the ball is straight in postie's court from the cwu, here is the example

Lets just say Its the 11th of May and under the current postie's duty structure that monday is his day off.

RM have decided that week he is in Work MON-FRI.

Postie doesn't turn up for work at 6am

Manager phones him at 610am.

manager :"Where are you"
postie : " its my day off boss"
manager: " no your day off is saturday"

then what?
pay stopped?

Laughable from the cwu.

Or postie turns up the monday but RM have scheduled him TUE-sat

Postie : what am i on boss?
manager : its your day off pat
postie " no its not"
manager : yes it is

Then what?

The CWU are ok they are all getting paid still

Postie here will be conducted and dismissed asap.

farce

[world class male]

Our DOM said the PDAs have a Sat Nav feature you can use ....

only used it once, xmas18
scanned all the 2d codes, clicked go and gave me something like a 8hr schedule!
one of the addresses was in a place 100 miles away

[Grumpyoldmailman]

Take a spare battery with you if you plan on using the sat nav, also the way they are running at the moment you will spend more time trying to get it to scan that actually delivering.

[themailman]

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[HTPostman]

Strike or no strike, I urge the union to start using words and material that the general public will understand. Cut out the long winded documents, sum up a few key points, go from there.

7 page long documents about USO, shorter working week, PHGs OPGs etc aren’t going to capture the attention of joe public or the papers. People have attention spans of about 10 seconds, make your point very clearly, minimal words maximum impact.

Just make it clear:

Major job cuts
Bullying and harassment continues
Lack of PPE
Employees given disciplinary warnings for daring to have heart attacks on delivery.
Employees not being paid in full when on annual leave (holiday pay).
A boss who lives in another country who was given £6m to join.

Please Terry, Dave etc...cut out the waffle. Make it clear and concise.

Completely agree. But even what you have there is far too many messages. Elections and Brexit have proved that, amongst other things, you need a very simple clear 'soundbite' of no more then three or four words that you repeat at every opportunity, relentlessly and you do not ever engage with the opposing views on their own terms (so if RM want to talk about flexibility and efficiency and profits, you just avoid mentioning them rather than trying to discuss sensibly what's wrong with RM's proposals. This slogan must resonate with people likely to support you on a emotional level, You can see the gov't do this with the (admittedly longer) stay home, save lives, support the NHS - though that's really just 'stay home, save lives', you can add the 'support the NHS' on because almost the entire country loves the NHS (they do not love us to anything like the same degree).

So something on the lines of (but better than) 'strike a fair deal' so rather than say 'we're prepared to strike, you'd say 'we're prepared to strike a fair deal'. And you put that 'strike a fair deal' into every sentence you can manage reasonaby and every single official on TV and radio or the internet uses it and does not deviate from or modify it (so, for instance, 'strike for a fair deal' is off-message - using 'strike for' implies confrontation, which the public associate with strikes and dislike).

I don't think we're capable of doing that though.

NB, I don't advocate this sort of thing as political discourse, it's facile and doesn't allow for constructive debate. But when dealing with the media, who ultimately present the message to the public in one way or another, it is the only way proven to work reliably.

Exactly. One of the young CWU reps had it right when he was flooding Facebook with ‘if I win, you win.’

Long ranting videos from Terry and extremely lengthy documents are not the way forward.

[HTPostman]

I’m a Part Timer on a 30 hour contract, that’s 6 hours a day over 5 days.
I can’t see how this is going to work without overtime as by the time I get my round sorted and leave the delivery office to reach wherever my round starts, then leave wherever I am to get back to the office at the end of the day plus my half hour dinner break this will leave me with about 4.5 hours delivery time. That won’t be enough time to complete a delivery round.

I'm on a 25hr contract and for the last 3.5 years usually do between 30-35 hours per week. We have been informed today that part timers will no longer get any overtime so for all the extra hours and risk to ourselves and our familys working through the pandemic all we get is a big f**k you for all your help. At this time with the country in lockdown its not even possible to go and find another job!!! It looks like if we are going to go over we just have to bring it back for a full timer to deal with. Some of the P/T guys i work with depend on the money from overtime to put food on the table. RM "helping" the posties is utter rubbish, we have been shafted beyond belief at the worst possible time.

I’ve worked it out that I will only be delivering for 4.5 hours. I won’t be working one minute over and I will be taking my full meal break entitlement. As I have only been with Royal Mail for a year and a half this decision by the board probably spells the end for me so I will be working to rule from now on. In many ways my job will become easier.

I'm in the same boat as you mate. Same hours and duration of employment. I really just want to know if I will still have a job after all this. I'm not fussed about OT, I'm happy working my P/T hours only as I do enjoy my job.

I know it’s tough for us PTers on 25/30 hours but if we can ‘cut our cloth’ and get by without OT, let’s do it BUT....when it gets to Xmas and they are desperate for you to work your day off, or there’s a few people off and you’re the only one who knows a complicated round (or rural) which means you going over, let’s stick to our guns and just do the 5/6 hours. If they won’t pay us overtime when we want it, don’t expect us to do it when they are desperate for us to help out and do it.

As for where to go, I feel Rico will be prepared and wants us to strike. I think the only way forward is to work to rule. Fat chance I know but if everyone did full van checks, sign them off for any defect, start on time, don’t walk while looking at mail, and definitely don’t use cars...then use the overrunning procedure every single day....it will grind down managers - those who are on the golf course by midday will be stressed out by huge numbers of posties ringing them every day cutting off and bringing tracked and specials back. Eg my office with 100 rounds, what will Rico’s plan be if not a single minute of OT was worked here? Or if vans were signed off - we only have 1 spare van, imagine if 20 vans were PMTd by drivers each morning. He’s hardly going to spend more money on agency staff to take back out our cutoffs.

Then I think he’d negotiate and we could at least meet in the middle. But as a workforce we are too blind, we’ve been told for years to do things properly. Even now, with a very real risk of job cuts, people will still start early (unpaid) tomorrow and use their cars! The DOM could hand someone their notice first thing tomorrow, and it’s highly likely that person would still use their car, agree to run over, use shortcuts. It’s madness.

Sorry for the rant.

[Chelseablue]

You cannot be stupid enough to use your cars now surely?

[Rommagic]

You cannot be stupid enough to use your cars now surely?

Some will.

[world class male]

I’m a Part Timer on a 30 hour contract, that’s 6 hours a day over 5 days.
I can’t see how this is going to work without overtime as by the time I get my round sorted and leave the delivery office to reach wherever my round starts, then leave wherever I am to get back to the office at the end of the day plus my half hour dinner break this will leave me with about 4.5 hours delivery time. That won’t be enough time to complete a delivery round.

I'm on a 25hr contract and for the last 3.5 years usually do between 30-35 hours per week. We have been informed today that part timers will no longer get any overtime so for all the extra hours and risk to ourselves and our familys working through the pandemic all we get is a big f**k you for all your help. At this time with the country in lockdown its not even possible to go and find another job!!! It looks like if we are going to go over we just have to bring it back for a full timer to deal with. Some of the P/T guys i work with depend on the money from overtime to put food on the table. RM "helping" the posties is utter rubbish, we have been shafted beyond belief at the worst possible time.

I’ve worked it out that I will only be delivering for 4.5 hours. I won’t be working one minute over and I will be taking my full meal break entitlement. As I have only been with Royal Mail for a year and a half this decision by the board probably spells the end for me so I will be working to rule from now on. In many ways my job will become easier.

fair play to willing to stick to contracted p/t hours, doubt many others can though
and i agree the only way to make them sit up is a "do the job properly" though it fell on deaf ears before when the cwu hq banged on about it, myself included.
but if they channelled their efforts into this kind of working so not to make it illegal, because i feel the cwu leaders won't commit us to anything but a walkout, which could risk them having funds blocked i think
why can't TP instruct all members to cease using own cars,cease coming in for free early, cease working without a break, cease working over to complete?
but there's bound to be a law against it somewhere

I'm in the same boat as you mate. Same hours and duration of employment. I really just want to know if I will still have a job after all this. I'm not fussed about OT, I'm happy working my P/T hours only as I do enjoy my job.

I know it’s tough for us PTers on 25/30 hours but if we can ‘cut our cloth’ and get by without OT, let’s do it BUT....when it gets to Xmas and they are desperate for you to work your day off, or there’s a few people off and you’re the only one who knows a complicated round (or rural) which means you going over, let’s stick to our guns and just do the 5/6 hours. If they won’t pay us overtime when we want it, don’t expect us to do it when they are desperate for us to help out and do it.

As for where to go, I feel Rico will be prepared and wants us to strike. I think the only way forward is to work to rule. Fat chance I know but if everyone did full van checks, sign them off for any defect, start on time, don’t walk while looking at mail, and definitely don’t use cars...then use the overrunning procedure every single day....it will grind down managers - those who are on the golf course by midday will be stressed out by huge numbers of posties ringing them every day cutting off and bringing tracked and specials back. Eg my office with 100 rounds, what will Rico’s plan be if not a single minute of OT was worked here? Or if vans were signed off - we only have 1 spare van, imagine if 20 vans were PMTd by drivers each morning. He’s hardly going to spend more money on agency staff to take back out our cutoffs.

Then I think he’d negotiate and we could at least meet in the middle. But as a workforce we are too blind, we’ve been told for years to do things properly. Even now, with a very real risk of job cuts, people will still start early (unpaid) and use their cars!

Sorry for the rant.

fair play to willing to stick to contracted p/t hours, doubt many others can though
and i agree the only way to make them sit up is a "do the job properly" though it fell on deaf ears before when the cwu hq banged on about it, myself included.
but if they channelled their efforts into this kind of working so not to make it illegal, because i feel the cwu leaders won't commit us to anything but a walkout, which could risk them having funds blocked i think
why can't TP instruct all members to cease using own cars,cease coming in for free early, cease working without a break, cease working over to complete?
but there's bound to be a law against it somewhere

I'm in the same boat as you mate. Same hours and duration of employment. I really just want to know if I will still have a job after all this. I'm not fussed about OT, I'm happy working my P/T hours only as I do enjoy my job.