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Chelseablue · Post by **Chelseablue** » 28 Apr 2020, 19:09

Good post nuisance. Public would be on our side if done right . Should be fun tomorrow

bucks123 · Post by **bucks123** » 28 Apr 2020, 19:10

My DO has all single van duties and we have managed so far with no duty failures due to people covering sickness (which has been relatively low) on OT. I cannot see the benefit of the proposal for offices like mine (other than the old hidden agenda as someone else mentioned). Saying that, other offices around our region have been struggling a lot so maybe I am not seeing the wider problems being experienced.

Woody Guthrie · Post by **Woody Guthrie** » 28 Apr 2020, 19:18

postiewhite wrote:I dont think non drivers will benefit like they think they will with Saturdays off. . Just spoken to a mate who's a manager and the early plan is to have them deliver locally, put out d2ds and prep duties of d2ds for monday etc

Deliver what locally?
A parcel at a time?
There's very little D2D to prep at the moment as it is, you could obviously find some other work of little value but the official reason for this is to help with staffing levels and the most sensible way to deal with that is to give the people who are of the least value to you when you're not delivering letters the day off thus maximising your Monday to Friday staffing levels. It also makes little sense when struggling with social distancing to have people in the office who are not going to contribute on the delivery side.

It doesn't matter whether we like it or not.

Rumple · Post by **Rumple** » 28 Apr 2020, 19:22

A very misleading statement by RM. Saying letter deliveries will continue as normal mon-fri when they know duties are failing across the business on a daily basis. I normally work as a van share but am currently working on my own taking each duty out on alternate days and parcels off both every day. If I can't complete I'm being told to fail more letters and complete the parcels as priority.
If no letters are delivered on a Saturday I will have 2 days mail on duty 'A' on the Monday then 3 days mail on duty 'B' on the Tuesday. This move by RM will only increase the backlog and pressure on delivery staff.
Potentially 1 of the duties I'm currently responsible for will only get a letter delivery 2 days a week now.

Post by **wallop** » 28 Apr 2020, 19:23

Acca Dacca wrote:
postiewhite wrote:I dont think non drivers will benefit like they think they will with Saturdays off. . Just spoken to a mate who's a manager and the early plan is to have them deliver locally, put out d2ds and prep duties of d2ds for monday etc
So how does the business save money then if they will all get a day off during the week that isnt Saturday?

How does the business save money by having people in prepping door to doors that get prepped fine as it is anyway?

Surely the savings COME from not having half the workforce in on a Saturday not bringing them in to work

I've always thought the plan was play on the decline in mail,issue gloom and doom mop up shares
Renegotiate USO on basis of unaffordable for 6 days due to decline in mail.
Cut Saturdays for 90% staff who all work Mon - Fri 1.25 longer days and longer walks + LAT Drivers
Sat premium products only Delivered by LAT Drivers.
Massive savings due to not having to cover a sixth day plus less staff for the same amount of mail+Diesel,Electric,Running MC's on Fri nights etc
Profits up Shares up Sell up Bye Bye.Been a success,Onward and upward
Remember how high the shares were when Moya reached the end of her contract.

The virus is the perfect chance to hasten this bypass the union,Personally i think they might have played a blinder here lots of angles covered with the goodwill/essential thing.Helped along by things like the union pleading for a rest over easter.
I really think the union are going to struggle getting a line on this one whichever way they play it.
The papers are just waiting for a covid villan, it might be us.

A2B · Post by **A2B** » 28 Apr 2020, 19:23

Acca Dacca wrote:
A2B wrote:
Acca Dacca wrote:
postiewhite wrote:I dont think non drivers will benefit like they think they will with Saturdays off. . Just spoken to a mate who's a manager and the early plan is to have them deliver locally, put out d2ds and prep duties of d2ds for monday etc
So how does the business save money then if they will all get a day off during the week that isnt Saturday?

How does the business save money by having people in prepping door to doors that get prepped fine as it is anyway?

Surely the savings COME from not having half the workforce in on a Saturday not bringing them in to work
Is it all about savings or is it about clearing a backlog?
Not every office HAS a backlog

but besides how does it help clear a backlog leaving mail undelivered AND still having to give non drivers a day off through the week?

If they wanted to clear the backlog they wouldnt be enforcing an overtime ban in many offices

Your right , not every office has a backlog but lots do and with 2 bank holidays coming up it could get a lot worse.

Woody Guthrie · Post by **Woody Guthrie** » 28 Apr 2020, 19:26

As far as the public being on our side, you're having a laugh surely?

The public are losing their lives.
The public are losing loved ones.
The public are losing their jobs.
We are being asked to do less work on a Saturday.
How do you think that's going to play in The Daily Mail?

Ren Hoëk · Post by **Ren Hoëk** » 28 Apr 2020, 19:33

Woody Guthrie wrote:As far as the public being on our side, you're having a laugh surely?

The public are losing their lives.
The public are losing loved ones.
The public are losing their jobs.
We are being asked to do less work on a Saturday.
How do you think that's going to play in The Daily Mail?

Posties are losing their lives.
Posties are losing loved ones.
Posties will be facing job loses.

Unless the general public or the Daily Mail are major share holders it doesn't matter what they think. We are a private company and the thoughts of the general public doesn't mean anything.

We should be announcing intention to strike yesterday. Talk is cheap. Time for action.

Post by **SpacePhoenix** » 28 Apr 2020, 19:39

Grumpyoldmailman wrote:
SpacePhoenix wrote:If 1st and 2nd recorded letters still have to be delivered on Saturdays then the mail will still have to be processed in MCs on Friday nights, it'll all get sequenced as normal and when it gets to DOs your going to have to deliver it or go through it and pull out the recorded letters
Cant they just separated them in the Post Offices like the specials are.

What about those sent by firms and those posted in post boxes? The machines don't read the barcodes, the CFC machines (and CFC section of IMPs) separates them into 1st and 2nd class and envelope size. iLSMs (and the letter sorting part of IMPs) sort them based on the address, no machine reads the any Tracked or recorded barcodes

dazer0070 · Post by **dazer0070** » 28 Apr 2020, 19:41

will ‘a packet’ be deemed larger than shoe box size, or everything from a CD or small trueprint photos will have to go?
All what’s sorted into the drop bag fitting I presume.

Woody Guthrie · Post by **Woody Guthrie** » 28 Apr 2020, 19:43

Unless the general public or the Daily Mail are major share holders it doesn't matter what they think

I was replying to the assertion that the public would be on our side, not whether it was even relevant.

It is relevant though because major shareholders tend to be aware that the public are both directly and indirectly...customers.

A2B · Post by **A2B** » 28 Apr 2020, 19:44

Woody Guthrie wrote:
postiewhite wrote:I dont think non drivers will benefit like they think they will with Saturdays off. . Just spoken to a mate who's a manager and the early plan is to have them deliver locally, put out d2ds and prep duties of d2ds for monday etc
Deliver what locally?
A parcel at a time?
There's very little D2D to prep at the moment as it is, you could obviously find some other work of little value but the official reason for this is to help with staffing levels and the most sensible way to deal with that is to give the people who are of the least value to you when you're not delivering letters the day off thus maximising your Monday to Friday staffing levels. It also makes little sense when struggling with social distancing to have people in the office who are not going to contribute on the delivery side.

It doesn't matter whether we like it or not.

Does it make you a more valuable employee if you clear 30ph oversize packets pver a 10 mile radius in a van than the HCT user who clears 40ph in a 5 mile radius? There's pros and cons to both.

JKSmudge · Post by **JKSmudge** » 28 Apr 2020, 19:46

Am I the only one that thinks it's good ( as long as it's only temporary ) ? - many of us covering 2 walks atm and the packets/parcels keep building up. I welcome a Saturady Parcels only, so that I can clear the backlog of stuff from the 2 frames and be able to actually have some space to work in on Monday morning. Who knows - I could actually finish on time that day !

gb93 · Post by **gb93** » 28 Apr 2020, 19:47

What if union went to RM on a different angle to get this stopped or keep public support.
Go along the RM line of it's being done to ease the pressure on poor posties but they think it should be no deliveries at all on saturdays while we going through this crisis.
See how RM react to that

sindba · Post by **sindba** » 28 Apr 2020, 19:51

Posties are losing their lives.
Posties are losing loved ones.
Posties will be facing job loses.

Unless the general public or the Daily Mail are major share holders it doesn't matter what they think. We are a private company and the thoughts of the general public doesn't mean anything.

We should be announcing intention to strike yesterday. Talk is cheap. Time for action.

Agreed.

Think of the RMT. They completely piss off the public, but by god do they get results for their members.

Screw the Daily Mail