hidden agenda.

mags999 · Post by **mags999** » 23 Apr 2020, 23:14

been a postie for over 25 years if there insistant that van sharing is over for the foreseeable why not go down the use your own car route it worked years ago and as someone said van sharing is s**t plus if it keeps you safe that's all that matters at the minute .

Woody Guthrie · Post by **Woody Guthrie** » 24 Apr 2020, 06:10

The decision to stop van sharing was taken by the business.
It had nothing to do with the union and everything to do with future liability. Has anyone read the LTBs lately, the business isn't paying any attention to the union on even the most trivial things so the idea that the CWU is the driving force behind this major policy change is hilarious.

Unlike the police, emergency services and council workers we are a private company.

Negligent employee exposure to the risks of Coronavirus is likely to be the new asbestosis or PPI for the claims industry.

Why any intelligent person would argue for an increase in that exposure is hard to get your head around. It's about as dumb as you could get.

thefox · Post by **thefox** » 24 Apr 2020, 09:17

Celgar wrote:I raised the question of why Posties are not allowed to share vans at the moment versus other key workers such as the emergency services and dustmen that are allowed to with our DOM. He could see the logic that is makes no sense to stop posties sharing vans as they are only together in the van for a few minutes versus say the police who are in the car together for hours.
He is going to raise this question at the next managers meeting so that could be interesting although I'm not expecting to get a reversal in policy. It is starting to look like the union and/or RM are using this issue to **** up our lives and jobs. It would be nice if the union consulted with the workforce before going ahead with major decisions. They are not God and do not necessarily know what is best for us. Another one of those situations where one party thinks we work for them when they actually work for us!!!

I wont be going in a van with anyone..crazy post

cpsteve · Post by **cpsteve** » 24 Apr 2020, 14:23

thefox wrote:
Celgar wrote:I raised the question of why Posties are not allowed to share vans at the moment versus other key workers such as the emergency services and dustmen that are allowed to with our DOM. He could see the logic that is makes no sense to stop posties sharing vans as they are only together in the van for a few minutes versus say the police who are in the car together for hours.
He is going to raise this question at the next managers meeting so that could be interesting although I'm not expecting to get a reversal in policy. It is starting to look like the union and/or RM are using this issue to **** up our lives and jobs. It would be nice if the union consulted with the workforce before going ahead with major decisions. They are not God and do not necessarily know what is best for us. Another one of those situations where one party thinks we work for them when they actually work for us!!!
I wont be going in a van with anyone..crazy post

Do you think sitting next to someone can get you the virus?

HA1 · Post by **HA1** » 24 Apr 2020, 15:39

cpsteve wrote:
thefox wrote:
Celgar wrote:I raised the question of why Posties are not allowed to share vans at the moment versus other key workers such as the emergency services and dustmen that are allowed to with our DOM. He could see the logic that is makes no sense to stop posties sharing vans as they are only together in the van for a few minutes versus say the police who are in the car together for hours.
He is going to raise this question at the next managers meeting so that could be interesting although I'm not expecting to get a reversal in policy. It is starting to look like the union and/or RM are using this issue to **** up our lives and jobs. It would be nice if the union consulted with the workforce before going ahead with major decisions. They are not God and do not necessarily know what is best for us. Another one of those situations where one party thinks we work for them when they actually work for us!!!
I wont be going in a van with anyone..crazy post
Do you think sitting next to someone can get you the virus?

Yes they are god as they pay your wages.

deltaforce · Post by **deltaforce** » 24 Apr 2020, 15:41

If they breath on you yes!

Post by **IloveMYredTROLLEY!** » 24 Apr 2020, 16:08

cpsteve wrote:
thefox wrote:
Celgar wrote:I raised the question of why Posties are not allowed to share vans at the moment versus other key workers such as the emergency services and dustmen that are allowed to with our DOM. He could see the logic that is makes no sense to stop posties sharing vans as they are only together in the van for a few minutes versus say the police who are in the car together for hours.
He is going to raise this question at the next managers meeting so that could be interesting although I'm not expecting to get a reversal in policy. It is starting to look like the union and/or RM are using this issue to **** up our lives and jobs. It would be nice if the union consulted with the workforce before going ahead with major decisions. They are not God and do not necessarily know what is best for us. Another one of those situations where one party thinks we work for them when they actually work for us!!!
I wont be going in a van with anyone..crazy post
Do you think sitting next to someone can get you the virus?

You're damned if you open windows and/or turn the air con on or simply swelter in the heat, there's a limited volume of air in a van and they're certainly isn't two metres between the driver and passenger. If one of you has COVID-19 and far from everyone shows symptoms that are obvious to the eye/ear of others, you are vastly increasing the risk of infecting your colleague.

Chelseablue · Post by **Chelseablue** » 24 Apr 2020, 16:18

If idiots want to van share let them

mags999 · Post by **mags999** » 24 Apr 2020, 16:44

as long as the business allows me to use my own car that's the route I will be taking no van sharing until a vaccine hits the shelves for me especially if you live with someone who is shielding . these are extreme times never known any thing like it in 30 yrs service

Woody Guthrie · Post by **Woody Guthrie** » 24 Apr 2020, 17:34

cpsteve wrote:Do you think sitting next to someone can get you the virus?

Do you think that all this social distancing malarkey was for sh***s and giggles?

cpsteve · Post by **cpsteve** » 24 Apr 2020, 17:56

Woody Guthrie wrote:
cpsteve wrote:Do you think sitting next to someone can get you the virus?
Do you think that all this social distancing malarkey was for sh***s and giggles?

Sitting next to someone is not the same as standing face to face with them i would not want a jogger or bike rider to go past me face to face id be happy to sit next to anyone who is not coughing or sneezing. Social distancing is there to stop crowds of people gathering and making it easy for the virus to jump from one person to another. ps Jogging and bike riding is not banned so why is sitting next to someone. Its all about public perception not health and safety inside our offices is where we have most chance of catching it, as adults its up to us to be careful wash hands do not touch our faces and stay off work if we get symptoms.

Woody Guthrie · Post by **Woody Guthrie** » 24 Apr 2020, 18:06

Sitting next to someone is not the same as standing face to face with them

Sitting in a van is not the same as sitting on a park bench, it's an enclosed space with a warm, dry circulating air system. It is pretty much the ideal environment for the transmission of an airborne virus.

clashcityrocker · Post by **clashcityrocker** » 24 Apr 2020, 18:25

Chelseablue wrote:If idiots want to van share let them

No.
Because A passes it to B who passes it to C who passes it to D. D is really vulnerable and dies.
Let's not let idiots go on a mass killing spree.

A2B · Post by **A2B** » 24 Apr 2020, 18:34

Woody Guthrie wrote:
Sitting next to someone is not the same as standing face to face with them
Sitting in a van is not the same as sitting on a park bench, it's an enclosed space with a warm, dry circulating air system. It is pretty much the ideal environment for the transmission of an airborne virus.

You would think we'd had enough information on how to stop the virus spreading but obviously it hasn't sunk in to some people

The longer people can't be relied upon to take the very simple steps to prevent spreading the longer this will go on for

citypostie · Post by **citypostie** » 24 Apr 2020, 18:40

Going back to what I said before having listened to Terry on Facebook I really do believe the union are using the health and safety/social distancing as a way of showing they can influence the company. Royal mail basically won't listen to anything the union say and don't care what they say but when it comes to the health and safety aspect it's hard for them to ignore them probably with the fear of repercussions from the authorities.

The social distancing , safety is the only thing the cwu can have an influence on because anything else they suggest is just ignored and laughed at by Rico and his mates. No doubt some of it is with regard to looking after us but some of it I have no doubt is about causing hassle for Rico and his cronies