hidden agenda.

A2B · Post by **A2B** » 22 Apr 2020, 18:29

The goverment adviser has said that social distancing is in for the long term (into 2021), RM have got to put something safe and workable in place for vans.

Vansharing should not be considered until the all clear is given. How they do this isn't going to please the majority but i certainly don't think it's a "hidden agenda"

daveyeff · Post by **daveyeff** » 22 Apr 2020, 18:36

2021? so no football, no pubs, no race meetings, no holidays abroad till 2021. and no van sharing.

A2B · Post by **A2B** » 22 Apr 2020, 19:04

Looking that way! No vaccine at present and if/when there is one it will need months of testing, only then will it be safe to ease social distancing.

toonshola · Post by **toonshola** » 22 Apr 2020, 19:06

Must admit I’m torn. Obviously I realise Royal mails plan is crap and will cost jobs and increase workload and all the rest of it. But at the same time I absolutely hate shared van so would much rather work on my own again.

Celgar · Post by **Celgar** » 22 Apr 2020, 19:58

Seems odd that only Davey's office has received this brainstorming meeting and no one else has heard a peep. It does indeed sound like the LAT model but on a wider scale.
I have noticed others such as dustmen, ambulance staff, firemen, police, just eat delivery cars etc all have two or more people in them. Why can't Posties be allowed to carry on sharing vans as they only together in the vans for very short periods of time when they travel to their next loops ??? These other vehicles have multiple people in them for most of their duty spans. Why have we been picked on in this respect but others can carry on doing their jobs ???

themailman · Post by **themailman** » 22 Apr 2020, 20:04

daveyeff · Post by **daveyeff** » 22 Apr 2020, 20:11

Well this is why some of us think it's a hidden agenda.....hence the title

daveyeff · Post by **daveyeff** » 22 Apr 2020, 20:17

Celgar wrote:Seems odd that only Davey's office has received this brainstorming meeting and no one else has heard a peep. It does indeed sound like the LAT model but on a wider scale.
I have noticed others such as dustmen, ambulance staff, firemen, police, just eat delivery cars etc all have two or more people in them. Why can't Posties be allowed to carry on sharing vans as they only together in the vans for very short periods of time when they travel to their next loops ??? These other vehicles have multiple people in them for most of their duty spans. Why have we been picked on in this respect but others can carry on doing their jobs ???

We just got told this today at 9am celgar,......I'm sure it will be announced in other offices in the next few days or weeks

A2B · Post by **A2B** » 22 Apr 2020, 20:33

themailman wrote:This has been the plan all along, this crisis has merely accelerated things.
Our office has tried various methods without any real success and there are plenty staff now just starting in the street, which is incredibly inefficient as they are only doing the delivery part of their work day - a mixture of 30-38 hour a week contracts only working a fraction of their hours. There are other options available, but I think people are being very short sighted in agreeing to the easiest one.
It pains me to say it, but shared vans has gone for good, and if you don't drive and theres no work for you near the office........

So Covid19 is RMs masterplan to change duties, bit extreme even by corporate standards.

What do you consider the other options available? I say bring back small local delivery offices and bikes, that will solve the problem

I may be reading your posts wrong but you do seem to have a poblem with non drivers

themailman · Post by **themailman** » 22 Apr 2020, 20:43

norris9 · Post by **norris9** » 22 Apr 2020, 20:46

A2B wrote:So Covid19 is RMs masterplan to change duties, bit extreme even by corporate standards.

haha, is what I'm thinking too.

They'd be doubling fuel costs and doubling wear and tear in getting out to the round and getting back.

And again.... is delivering in the dark sensible?

Are the public going to be ok with getting their post at 7pm?

Chelseablue · Post by **Chelseablue** » 22 Apr 2020, 20:48

Picked on ffs . You do know theres a few ppl dead in this country and around the world ? Or would you rather take that chance , i know i value my life not too take that chance .

Post by **97gaz** » 22 Apr 2020, 20:49

Jesus. We're probably only at the start of this catastrophe. Do you think when they relax lockdown in maybe three weeks that all "this virus shite" is going to go away? It didn't and still hasn't for all those who died and all those who are going to die. 800+ again yesterday.

A vaccine is at best going to be available in maybe October but that's the best case scenario. Given they haven't been able to create one for the common cold, Mers or Sars (all coronavirus') It's not looking good. A treatment is going to be even longer.

When lockdown is lifted there is going to be a massive re-infection and then more lockdown because people aren't taking it seriously.

Perhaps the Company has realised this and is trying to come to some plan to mitigate it. I'm not reading anything into this until we've beaten this virus.

daveyeff wrote:2021? so no football, no pubs, no race meetings, no holidays abroad till 2021. and no van sharing.

There's going to be no escaping this virus until vaccine or treatment. I don't fancy sitting packed like a sardine on an aeroplane with 300 other people, any one of which might have the virus.

Seymour Buts · Post by **Seymour Buts** » 22 Apr 2020, 20:53

No it isn't a hidden agenda; some sort of social distancing will probably be needed till a vaccine for this virus is discovered which is at least a year away according to Chris Witty today, meaning van sharing will probably be banned for that length of time. Their agenda is not hidden, it's to remove tracked and oversized parcels out of the main delivery which, in my opinion, will be a complete disaster for us.

norris9 · Post by **norris9** » 22 Apr 2020, 20:56

themailman wrote:I just feel that we are moving far more to a parcel company that does a few letters here and there. Why do you think driving is a condition for new entrants into the job these days.

Driving is a condition for new entrants because that's part of the job. The people that don't drive can be a burden to Royal Mail, the one that walk with trolleys can't deliver large packets so RM have to pay someone else to go out in a van with the parcels that they'd be otherwise delivering if they could drive. With non drivers there is less flexibility in where you can put them in times like these. It would be silly to employ non drivers.

Are letters going to drop off that dramatically that we'd only be delivering 'a few letters here and there'? or are you thinking some other company is going to take over from us as THE mail deliverers of the UK?

or maybe Royal Mail have no choice but to charge excessive sums for sending letters simply because it's not affordable for them to deliver letters and therefore the amount of letters people send will fall off a cliff? Maybe it will go that way.