BALLOT RESULT

edinburghsteve · Post by **edinburghsteve** » 27 Nov 2007, 23:36

We're going to have to accept the deal and move on (to a new job).
I heard a rumour tonight that Crozier and Leighton are having a party, invited was Hayes and Ward were invited, anyone know if this is true???

L Tommo · Post by **L Tommo** » 27 Nov 2007, 23:45

anyone got any semtex????

out :lfo :cfo & billy bollox n wavy davey

Post by **Judgee** » 27 Nov 2007, 23:48

Well the poll on here voted 148 yes to the deal, 602 said no. If this is a basic survey on peoples opinions how the hell did the vote get in? Is there anyway the votes can be checked or is that down to pinky and perky in charge of the CWU?

My concern is not so much for what has been accepted now, but the fact that the floodgates will now open. The bosses know that if they can get away with this, rm workers will lose the heart to fight again.

Beware the pensions and other deals to follow.... they now can do what they like. For those that agreed to this deal, I hope your still smiling when ya pension go tits up

Game over people, the only way out of this mess is to leave the company.... Its a fast ride down hill all the way from here

jafferpants · Post by **jafferpants** » 28 Nov 2007, 07:53

Judgee wrote:Well the poll on here voted 148 yes to the deal, 602 said no. If this is a basic survey on peoples opinions how the hell did the vote get in? Is there anyway the votes can be checked or is that down to pinky and perky in charge of the CWU?

My concern is not so much for what has been accepted now, but the fact that the floodgates will now open. The bosses know that if they can get away with this, rm workers will lose the heart to fight again.

Beware the pensions and other deals to follow.... they now can do what they like. For those that agreed to this deal, I hope your still smiling when ya pension go tits up

Game over people, the only way out of this mess is to leave the company.... Its a fast ride down hill all the way from here

Here i go again boring old jaffer but as i keep saying the pension has already gone. Unofficialy it went last july but had to be put on hold at the last minuet. It was agreed with the unions blessing and the letters and info packs were printed up and ready to go. they will now be sent to tie-up with next april.

A foot note to lovejoy. when this is put to the membership and as you rightly say "we vote no" RM comes back and says tough it's going anyway what are you going to do then strike?

luckyllama · Post by **luckyllama** » 28 Nov 2007, 08:14

this site is very unrepresentative, thats been obvious for months. Even the 'other' site has more people posting no than there are in the workplace.

axeman · Post by **axeman** » 28 Nov 2007, 10:23

And the other'site' is full with screws and wannabees ! this site is far more truthful than the other backslaping goody two shoes one.
plenty off picket line crossers over there ! and the mods are picket line crossers as well , thats why it's so unrepresentative of the people with backbones
and strength of conviction for whats right and not simply carrot snatchers

Night Tonic · Post by **Night Tonic** » 28 Nov 2007, 11:41

Well for those that feel that going into work and fighting on their own terms is the way to go, good luck. All that will happen is you'll get singled out and replaced by a part-timer and to be honest, I don't blame RM for that. We already have too many whingers where I work and I'm sick of them. They are always the last to actually do anything when things get tough and most of them voted YES - says much. Plenty of those on here too and sour grapes to go with it. Must be hard to sleep at night. Shame....

Malatesta1954 · Post by **Malatesta1954** » 28 Nov 2007, 13:08

Well well the no campaigners are showing their true colours we can only have a democratic ballot if we vote as they tell us. Well tough. You moan and whinge but where was your campaign in the workplaces? Nowhere. Where was your hero Dave Warren? Jumped off the bandwagon as soon as he realised the deal was going through and now nowhere to be seen.

Let's face it Royal Mail is reletively easy work for unqualified manual workers. It used to be easier and worse paid with loads of docket but now it's harder with better basic pay. If we could find somewhere easier and better paid we would go there. As for flexibility, management will take what we let them get away with national agreement or not. If your not prepared to stand up for yourselves in your office you'll be trampled on.

Some of you seem to believing your own propaganda that this deal is the end of everything. There is nothing here we haven't dealt with before and we can deal with it now. I am getting the impression that some of you will let management take everything just to prove your own worst predictions right.

We've got the money up front, not enough never is, but we live to fight another day.

What are people doing in the pensions "consultation" ? We need to give an alternative to the "joint statement" not just say no. What other union has started off by agreeing to close the final salary scheme to everyone! We have to make sure that whatever comes out to ballot on pensions, unless it preserves the final salary scheme and includes new entrants, will receive a resounding no vote to force our national officers to take the fight to the employer. This is THE ISSUE affecting all of us.

WE can unite on the pensions fight if we don't we are shafted.

Post by **Judgee** » 28 Nov 2007, 13:22

I have no bad feelings to those that voted the deal in it is thier right. What I am concerned about is where all these "yes" votes supposedly come from. In my office there were a couple who were going to vote yes, but everyone else said they were voting no. Not just a no, but a "no bloody way" so what happened? Alright a couple more may be saying one thing just to keep the peace but still, it goes very much against the general opinion in my area

I guess I am mostly pissed off at losing so much money through striking, and having to put in extra effort to clear the backlog....... basically for a deal that was proposed 6 months ago, what was the point?

Malatesta1954 · Post by **Malatesta1954** » 28 Nov 2007, 13:55

The majority of Branches recommended a yes vote. No Royal Mail Divisional Committee recommended a no vote. There was no organised campaign for a no vote. That's why the majority voted yes.

When we overturned the original Way Forward we had 5 Divional Committees campaigning for a no vote reaching all of their members with printed propaganda.

WE have achieved the CWU back as a negotiating partner at all levels.

Night Tonic · Post by **Night Tonic** » 28 Nov 2007, 13:57

Simple, a LOT of posties were cheesed off losing money and no sign of RM budging. Few would admit to accepting the deal because of the bigotted small minds of some of their colleagues. I voted a resounding NO but if the majority voted YES then I'll accept the judgement of my workmates and get on with it. Too many bad losers on here. A whole year of 'we can only win' etc etc blah blah and we lost - simple as that. A few may like to think they can put 'spanners in the works' but they're deluded. The deal is done and you either go along with it as I am or you take a trip to the job centre. There are no mini-revolutions, no 'alternative' unions. Its over with.

jemima · Post by **jemima** » 28 Nov 2007, 14:15

People who take the trouble to think about the situation and then want to find out more about it, to the extent of posting on a forum, are in the minority within RM. When you take that into account, the views on here won't be representative of RM workers as a whole. A lot will trust the CWU to make the right decisions and won't want to be involved in the political debate. That's why they join the Union in the first place. If the Union isn't quite delivering what's needed, then perhaps different officials should be elected - there will be a chance to do that.

Night Tonic · Post by **Night Tonic** » 28 Nov 2007, 14:30

Absolutely Jemima. And you're right, RMC could never be representative of postal workers as a whole as it just attracts those that only think one way. Just because I voted against the deal doesn't mean I agree with a lot of the rubbish spouted on here. A lot of it IS complete rubbish and more to the point, all the so-called solidarity vanished in an instant when the vote was a YES. Look at these threads now - Royal Mail must be laughing fit to burst at all those on here who were full of big ideas, now having a go at their workmates or threatening to resign from the union because they lost the vote. Huh - small minds.

Get real, its only a job - not a crusade.

postie28 · Post by **postie28** » 28 Nov 2007, 15:48

can't believe the way everyone is falling out with each other. o.k it's a s*** deal and the majority of people have accepted it. but now is not the time for recriminations. we have to accept that in a democratic vote it has been accepted. there are still many battles to be fought . so lets all stay strong and get ready to fight again over pensions , d2d's, monthly pay, etc etc.

strangler · Post by **strangler** » 28 Nov 2007, 16:19

If we`re honest most people expected the Yes vote anyway. The biggest shocker for me is the number that couldn`t be arsed to lick the envelope, perhaps too busy licking the bosses arse...
I can`t see any vote for strike action regarding the pension changes-it won`t even be an option on the ballot paper. Just a selection of s**t alternatives. Remember the union have already accepted (on our behalf it would seem, nice bit of 'democracy' there from our union) that the final salary scheme is dead. In any case, even if striking were an option people wouldn`t go for it, they can only see the short term. Those that are retiring in a few years won`t be so drastically affected whilst the younger ones will just say they`ll worry about pensions when the time comes.
The union spin on 'de-coupling' the pension succeeded, this in my view has ensured that there was never going to be a strike over pensions.
As for this deal I suspect there will be more than a few squealing like little piggies when their overtime is cut, particularly at weekends.