norris9 wrote:
Drivers should be paid more, they should even demand it. How about a 12% pay rise for drivers and 6% for passengers.
But we have to listen to the driver moaning about all their extra responsibilities.
Driver 2%. Passenger 10%.
There should definitely be a supplement for drivers. They do carry more responsibility, work and risk. In our office anyway. The loops are all equal so you cant even argue that the driver is given less to allow for packets. Just not true. Im the Driver for my Float and very occasionally the duty holder will do a-bit of OT and request to do his frame. I then become the passenger for him and it's definitely less stress and work.
Another case a point. Last week as the no pairs in the van rule came in and we were taking 2 days worth of mail out every day I was run ragged as A driver whilst non drivers got to do indoor prep and loops near the office. I did one of those indoor duties on one of the days and it was a a doddle in comparison.
It is the drivers that will keep this company going and quite literally carry the burden during this crisis.
There should definitely be a supplement for drivers
There used to be.
It was sick squid.
It was negotiated away as part of a pay deal (maybe 2007) can't remember.
Anyway point is for at least 15 years RM has been doing the 'postman with driving' thing so there aren't that many real non drivers left. Out of our office of 130 or so there's maybe 5-ish.
So what happens to the drivers who don't drive since only one of a pair is supposed to drive the van on any particular day. Do you get this supplement some days but not others?
Woody Guthrie wrote:So what happens to the drivers who don't drive since only one of a pair is supposed to drive the van on any particular day. Do you get this supplement some days but not others?
It should be done pro rata as part timers especially get moved around and could be driving one day but not the next. Yes it's extra work for the person who does payroll to check who signed the van out, but it's the fair way to do it. Maybe it's something they could add into this digital sign in and out system. Maybe you digitally sign the van out and boom an extra £6 a day payment is added to your pay.
You'd probably have to do a walk re-pick as well and have designated driver jobs. Depends how many disgruntled passengers there are because they want to now become a driver because of the extra pay.
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Playing devil’s advocate here. The 3 jobs that I cover the passenger gets all the long loops which get hammered with packets and I just do the short loops/get rid of the oversized and then wait for them on average 10 minutes a loop so can grab a sandwich make a call etc. I would rather be the driver than the passenger.
Grumpyoldmailman wrote:Playing devil’s advocate here. The 3 jobs that I cover the passenger gets all the long loops which get hammered with packets and I just do the short loops/get rid of the oversized and then wait for them on average 10 minutes a loop so can grab a sandwich make a call etc. I would rather be the driver than the passenger.
If this is what is supposed to happen then that would at least make it more fair. But I am not sure management planned it to work this way?
Are drivers supposed to have an easier delivery? finish before the passenger and get a bit of a break?
Woody Guthrie wrote:Offices have s**t revisions where the workload isn't properly balanced demand extra payment for drivers?
Yeah that'll fly.
ok, I'll make sure I make my passenger do more work so I can chill in the van for a few minutes before he finishes each of his loops if that's how you think it should work.
Woody Guthrie wrote:Offices have s**t revisions where the workload isn't properly balanced demand extra payment for drivers?
Yeah that'll fly.
ok, I'll make sure I make my passenger do more work so I can chill in the van for a few minutes before he finishes each of his loops if that's how you think it should work.
Ren Hoëk wrote:There should definitely be a supplement for drivers. They do carry more responsibility, work and risk.
It's criminal that drivers are not paid more than passengers.
Has this ever been raised before?
The CWU should be trying to get a driver's bonus.
We did have it as per what Woody said, but we voted it away, we, the posties voted for it to go, I will repeat, we the posties voted for it to go It will never come back.
Way forward agreement (2000) that nobody and I mean nobody voted for got rid of the driving allowance, and a lot of other stuff as well.
(Ok it's an inside joke cause no one ever admitted that they voted yes in a vote that had a majority yes vote, honest)
I Wrote-During Covid-Which is still relevant now
It's good to get these types of threads, the ridiculous my manager said bollox, so we can reassure ourselves that while the world is falling apart, Royal Mail managers are still being the low-life C***S they have always been. My BFF Clash The daily grind of having to argue your case with an intellectual pigmy of a line manager is physically and emotionally draining.
Ren Hoëk wrote:There should definitely be a supplement for drivers. They do carry more responsibility, work and risk.
It's criminal that drivers are not paid more than passengers.
Has this ever been raised before?
The CWU should be trying to get a driver's bonus.
We did have it as per what Woody said, but we voted it away, we, the posties voted for it to go, I will repeat, we the posties voted for it to go It will never come back.
Way forward agreement (2000) that nobody and I mean nobody voted for got rid of the driving allowance, and a lot of other stuff as well.
(Ok it's an inside joke cause no one ever admitted that they voted yes in a vote that had a majority yes vote, honest)
Ren Hoëk wrote:There should definitely be a supplement for drivers. They do carry more responsibility, work and risk.
It's criminal that drivers are not paid more than passengers.
Has this ever been raised before?
The CWU should be trying to get a driver's bonus.
We did have it as per what Woody said, but we voted it away, we, the posties voted for it to go, I will repeat, we the posties voted for it to go It will never come back.
Way forward agreement (2000) that nobody and I mean nobody voted for got rid of the driving allowance, and a lot of other stuff as well.
(Ok it's an inside joke cause no one ever admitted that they voted yes in a vote that had a majority yes vote, honest)
Colleague shares doing well?
I Wrote-During Covid-Which is still relevant now
It's good to get these types of threads, the ridiculous my manager said bollox, so we can reassure ourselves that while the world is falling apart, Royal Mail managers are still being the low-life C***S they have always been. My BFF Clash The daily grind of having to argue your case with an intellectual pigmy of a line manager is physically and emotionally draining.
