BALLOT RESULT

Night Tonic · Post by **Night Tonic** » 27 Nov 2007, 22:26

How were RM sweating? I saw NO evidence of that during this entire dispute! They stuck to their line throughout.

IWW Fellow Worker · Post by **IWW Fellow Worker** » 27 Nov 2007, 22:30

Night Tonic wrote:How were RM sweating? I saw NO evidence of that during this entire dispute! They stuck to their line throughout.

Yes, they were determined not to negotiate weren't they?

Post by **protect us** » 27 Nov 2007, 22:34

thats right fellow worker - thats what i meant !! -they were STUBBORN and BIG HEADED all the way , then as soon as mail got back logged - panic and a sit down to talk !! took them a month , within that time mail service disruption more or less back to norm !

Night Tonic · Post by **Night Tonic** » 27 Nov 2007, 22:36

sit down and talk and then what? The concensus seems to be that the deal is the same as the first one. I don't see how it made RM sweat.

Post by **protect us** » 27 Nov 2007, 22:41

people should relise that this business was never broke in the first place so we dont need to fix it - for years the system has worked , when i joined the good old boys said to me we have been in profit for years ! , then along came the way forward deal , a name change to consignia ( COST US MILLIONS ) its easy to see why theres all losses why would you name change then back again ?? - they also blame the regulator - well we have on-line traffic also now that makes up for business ? im sorry but do you need overpaid idiots at the top to work the basics out ?? :lfo :cfo you can understand why some of us are upset !! - most of us are passionate in our jobs and feel insulted that so much has gone on and shouldnt have ?

Post by **protect us** » 27 Nov 2007, 22:43

NIGHT NIGHT TONIC

IWW Fellow Worker · Post by **IWW Fellow Worker** » 27 Nov 2007, 22:46

Night Tonic wrote:sit down and talk and then what? The concensus seems to be that the deal is the same as the first one. I don't see how it made RM sweat.

You wouldn't. But those of us who aren't up the arse of Allan And Adam could see how the rolling strikes were hitting Royal Mail and forcing them around. They still haven't caught up with the backlog in some areas. All that happened was Billy Hayes and Dave Ward went out to bat for Royal Mail and betrayed the support the CWU had. With proper leadership, we could have won. Anyway, you're happy with the result, but looking at your previous posts on here, that's no surprise.

thexxxpostman · Post by **thexxxpostman** » 27 Nov 2007, 22:50

we have really shot ourselves in the foot this time..the end of overtime in delivery offices..d to d increases for less money..even more junk mail than we have already..

thexxxpostman · Post by **thexxxpostman** » 27 Nov 2007, 22:50

as above

Night Tonic · Post by **Night Tonic** » 27 Nov 2007, 22:53

IWW Fellow Worker wrote:
Night Tonic wrote:sit down and talk and then what? The concensus seems to be that the deal is the same as the first one. I don't see how it made RM sweat.
You wouldn't. But those of us who aren't up the arse of Allan And Adam could see how the rolling strikes were hitting Royal Mail and forcing them around. They still haven't caught up with the backlog in some areas. All that happened was Billy Hayes and Dave Ward went out to bat for Royal Mail and betrayed the support the CWU had. With proper leadership, we could have won. Anyway, you're happy with the result, but looking at your previous posts on here, that's no surprise.

I'm not, but clearly you're up your own IWW. I voted no but I'm not such a baby I can't accept the vote.

Southsider · Post by **Southsider** » 27 Nov 2007, 22:56

shaolin wrote:I would have voted the same if I was staying
As soon as they took the pension out of the deal it was a YES for me
Work your time's and they cannot touch you
The pension is what we have to fight for, get this deal in then the fight starts for the pension that's what matters

Watch this space re pension fight.You never know CWU HQ may already be putting a team together to get you to buy into the pension scenario.

Post by **protect us** » 27 Nov 2007, 22:56

thanks guys -you can see like me further than your nose !!

i still cant believe the result , i thought it would be a closer call also ! - who would have thought it - other than the .......

IWW Fellow Worker · Post by **IWW Fellow Worker** » 27 Nov 2007, 23:16

Night Tonic wrote:
IWW Fellow Worker wrote:
Night Tonic wrote:sit down and talk and then what? The concensus seems to be that the deal is the same as the first one. I don't see how it made RM sweat.
You wouldn't. But those of us who aren't up the arse of Allan And Adam could see how the rolling strikes were hitting Royal Mail and forcing them around. They still haven't caught up with the backlog in some areas. All that happened was Billy Hayes and Dave Ward went out to bat for Royal Mail and betrayed the support the CWU had. With proper leadership, we could have won. Anyway, you're happy with the result, but looking at your previous posts on here, that's no surprise.
I'm not, but clearly you're up your own IWW. I voted no but I'm not such a baby I can't accept the vote.

Of course you can accept the vote. You're a firms man. One look at your previous posts prove the point. No, you're not a baby. You're a microbe.

Edward Hunter · Post by **Edward Hunter** » 27 Nov 2007, 23:29

I really cant believe how this has all ended. In a few short weeks we have gone from being a union taking on RM and the government with real fight, to a bunch of subserviant idiots! Talk about short - sighted. Selling our terms and conditions away for a measly few hundred quid. A few hundred quid that will eventually mean NO overtime at all in delivery offices. The D2Ds will eventually be bunged in on us for sweet FA as well. Oh well time to take it easy, and stroll round my walk every day! The missus will be SO pleased that she now has to pick the kids up EVERY day

L Tommo · Post by **L Tommo** » 27 Nov 2007, 23:29

Night Tonic wrote:The vote is done. It was a Yes. Whats smug in that???

I am fully aware of the vote... I ask you a question on IF your happy ??? By the way your posts from now and before go...

Thats the reason for my Q.....???

You might roll over but i and many more cant.... Ohhhhh i suppose im doing this for a motive of a clandestine nature or the SWP or some militant leaning??? NO JUST WHAT I FEEL IS RIGHT.... THE YES VOTE TAKES THE DAY BUT IN THIS DEMOCRATIC WORLD WE LIVE IN??? We can still have an opinion that differs to your and billy bollox n davey doughnuts!!!!

I WILL WORK TO MY TIME AND WORK TO MY 318.. FECK FLEXI WORKING FECK THE CHANGES AS I WILL MAKE SURE THE ROAD AHEAD FOR THE PEC AND HQ IS A ROCKY ONE....

NOT OUT WITHOUT A FIGHT....