resignation from the cwu

Post by **mucker** » 27 Nov 2007, 16:33

how many members will resign from the cwu as a result of the yes vote...

hackedoff · Post by **hackedoff** » 27 Nov 2007, 16:35

As tempting as it is to protest by leaving it really is the only help we'll ever get

Post by **dvbuk55** » 27 Nov 2007, 16:43

I'll certainly still be here for next leadership ballots.

wakkono · Post by **wakkono** » 27 Nov 2007, 16:50

i left when the results of the talks came out i cant justify paying Â£3 a week to a company that seems intent to shaft me !!!
i hope a few more will leave now so they can really see what a bunch of cu nts they have been to there members

Post by **mucker** » 27 Nov 2007, 16:52

wakkono wrote:i left when the results of the talks came out i cant justify paying Â£3 a week to a company that seems intent to shaft me !!!
i hope a few more will leave now so they can really see what a bunch of cu nts they have been to there members

mailman71 · Post by **mailman71** » 27 Nov 2007, 17:23

the result was a blow but welive in a democracy so we will just have to get on with it,coming out the union will just look likewe are throwing the toys out the pram because we did'nt get our way

Post by **mucker** » 27 Nov 2007, 17:26

mailman71 wrote:the result was a blow but welive in a democracy so we will just have to get on with it,coming out the union will just look likewe are throwing the toys out the pram because we did'nt get our way

so what do we do next then???????????????????????????.what has throwing the toys out the pram,got to do with it??????????????

smartmarty · Post by **smartmarty** » 27 Nov 2007, 17:50

Once again we blame the Union for shafting us, why not apportion the blame where it's due.... Royal Mail & the Government. If we leave the Union in droves then the Union will be finished for sure, financially crippled, leaving RM free reign to finish us off altogether.

I myself will NOT represent anyone who leaves and wants to return just because they're in the S**T with Management.

We need to regroup and back the local reps against local management, we know that our own managers have their own ideas about this agreement and will try and use it against us.

Put the dummy and toys back where they belong.

Post by **mucker** » 27 Nov 2007, 17:54

smartmarty wrote:Once again we blame the Union for shafting us, why not apportion the blame where it's due.... Royal Mail & the Government. If we leave the Union in droves then the Union will be finished for sure, financially crippled, leaving RM free reign to finish us off altogether.

I myself will NOT represent anyone who leaves and wants to return just because they're in the S**T with Management.

We need to regroup and back the local reps against local management, we know that our own managers have their own ideas about this agreement and will try and use it against us.

Put the dummy and toys back where they belong.

are you for real?? get into the real world

We need to regroup and back the local reps against local management

Moonshine · Post by **Moonshine** » 27 Nov 2007, 17:55

wakkono wrote:i left when the results of the talks came out i cant justify paying Â£3 a week to a company that seems intent to shaft me !!!
i hope a few more will leave now so they can really see what a bunch of cu nts they have been to there members

Sorry mate, but it is the MEMBERS who have voted yes, so why take it out on the Union who only act according to their members' wishes. Would you prefer a democratic union to ignore the mandate given to it by the members and ovverride their wishes?

Post by **mucker** » 27 Nov 2007, 17:58

Moonshine wrote:
wakkono wrote:i left when the results of the talks came out i cant justify paying Â£3 a week to a company that seems intent to shaft me !!!
i hope a few more will leave now so they can really see what a bunch of cu nts they have been to there members
Sorry mate, but it is the MEMBERS who have voted yes, so why take it out on the Union who only act according to their members' wishes. Would you prefer a democratic union to ignore the mandate given to it by the members and ovverride their wishes?

because the deal was shite,which was recommended by our leaders

jacee · Post by **jacee** » 27 Nov 2007, 17:58

smartmarty wrote: We need to regroup and back the local reps against local management, we know that our own managers have their own ideas about this agreement and will try and use it against us.

Put the dummy and toys back where they belong.

I get the impression from past experiences that there are no hard and fast rules about times and working arrangements and this has been part of RM's divide and conquer strategy. Therefore the very independence of the unit managers to do things that suit them should be turned against them in a concerted effort to make them negotiate instead of simply implement their own ideas. We will not do this by removing or reducing what unity we have in being members of a union with reps to put forward our opinions

Post by **johnston65** » 27 Nov 2007, 18:02

Maybe it is time the members on this site realised that Hayes and Ward negotiated this deal, wether its good or bad ,and left it to the membership of this union to vote on it.

Yes both of them should be criticised for the way they handled the dispute and both should be made to answer a lot of questions maybe resulting in a vote of no confidence.

But that doesnt take away the fact that over 80,000 members voted for this deal while, as far as we know,40,000 coudln't be bothered putting pen to paper. This is more shamefull for me than anything.

But if people think leaving the CWU will hit Hayes and Ward then think again. The best way to hit them is by staying in and pushing for change if that is what the majority decides.

By more postal staff becoming non-unionised we play more into the hands of Leighton and Crozier than anything else. Because as I've already said the deal ,wether you think is good or bad, is still a deal and it is more than what could be achieved in a business that has more staff not in a union than those that have.

Stormproof · Post by **Stormproof** » 27 Nov 2007, 18:29

smartmarty wrote:
We need to regroup and back the local reps against local management, we know that our own managers have their own ideas about this agreement and will try and use it against us.

Will there be any local reps left? They've worked hard during the dispute only to be s**t on with this result.

johnnyp · Post by **johnnyp** » 27 Nov 2007, 18:35

johnston65 wrote:Maybe it is time the members on this site realised that Hayes and Ward negotiated this deal, wether its good or bad ,and left it to the membership of this union to vote on it.

Yes both of them should be criticised for the way they handled the dispute and both should be made to answer a lot of questions maybe resulting in a vote of no confidence.

But that doesnt take away the fact that over 80,000 members voted for this deal while, as far as we know,40,000 coudln't be bothered putting pen to paper. This is more shamefull for me than anything.

But if people think leaving the CWU will hit Hayes and Ward then think again. The best way to hit them is by staying in and pushing for change if that is what the majority decides.

By more postal staff becoming non-unionised we play more into the hands of Leighton and Crozier than anything else. Because as I've already said the deal ,wether you think is good or bad, is still a deal and it is more than what could be achieved in a business that has more staff not in a union than those that have.

Well said mate

Agree 100% your point 40,000 not voting

Time will judge Dave and Billy on the deal if things are gonna be as bad as people on here predict when elections come up, then they will pay the price,along with the PEC

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