MRM.COM : Chat with Simon Barker Nat Ops Dir : Jersey-Greenford how clocking in-out (Automated hrs data capture) works : Trials on separate van delivery

[Momo90210]

Don’t we already have indoor and outdoor standards, the prep time and delivery time should be printed per each day on the frame.

I think you are referring to the IWT which is an office resourcing tool to help managers with staffing levels and cannot be used for personal performance as there is no outdoor performance standard agreed with the cwu and the only indoor agreement is the 1 minute prep test. If a manager ever suggests anything about targets or standards speak to your rep and get them to put it in the IR framework as it is unagreed

[glass joe]

Clock in/out are laying the foundations for the future, these will include. docking money if you are late, stop paying you once you have clocked out. Royal Mail would easily save half a million on wages when most people are done 1/2 hours before their finishing time every Tuesday. 500,000 times 52 = 26 million and probably the same for Saturdays.

[DGH]

Clock in/out are laying the foundations for the future, these will include. docking money if you are late, stop paying you once you have clocked out. Royal Mail would easily save half a million on wages when most people are done 1/2 hours before their finishing time every Tuesday. 500,000 times 52 = 26 million and probably the same for Saturdays.

Not if people did as they should, which is asking if any work is available when they return to the office. If a manager says no and sends them home, they can't be docked pay (except anyone on overtime).

[glass joe]

Royal Mail are bound to change contracts in the future.

[Sugar]

when most people are done 1/2 hours before their finishing time every Tuesday. 500,000 times 52 = 26 million and probably the same for Saturdays.

Tuesday's will be the new Saturday's once the USO is altered, later this year I'm guessing, and letters become a 5 day week model with parcels, specials and tracked etc become a 7 day a week event.

[SpacePhoenix]

Not if people did as they should, which is asking if any work is available when they return to the office. If a manager says no and sends them home, they can't be docked pay (except anyone on overtime).

Going by many past posts, in how many DOs would there actually be any managers left in the building when staff start to arrive back from their walks?

[Hitcher]

Clock in/out are laying the foundations for the future, these will include. docking money if you are late, stop paying you once you have clocked out. Royal Mail would easily save half a million on wages when most people are done 1/2 hours before their finishing time every Tuesday. 500,000 times 52 = 26 million and probably the same for Saturdays.

Not if they did the job properly.

ie Start on time, take breaks, use trolleys, don't walk and read mail, deliver to neighbour, deliver all miss-sorts, clean their vans, etc.

[NewPostieUK]

I would have thought that if your start time is 6.42am and you arrive at 6.38am, it isn't going to pay you for those extra 4 minutes?

Sometimes you are asked to come in early and be paid for it. So how does the system distinguish between a person who comes in 1 hour early for free and a person who has come in 1 hour early to be paid overtime.

If you were asked to go in 4 minutes early on overtime, you'll get paid for it.

The system doesn't need to distinguish anything. It records data. If you agreed to go in an hour early, and you do, you'll be paid for it because the manager did his job, not because some system decides.

[NewPostieUK]

Clock in/out are laying the foundations for the future, these will include. docking money if you are late, stop paying you once you have clocked out.

The manager can dock you if you are late, doesn't matter of you sign in or clock in.

[postslippete]

Clock in/out are laying the foundations for the future, these will include. docking money if you are late, stop paying you once you have clocked out. Royal Mail would easily save half a million on wages when most people are done 1/2 hours before their finishing time every Tuesday. 500,000 times 52 = 26 million and probably the same for Saturdays.

They could easily save half a million on wages - but legally right now I don't think they can. If you are being paid for a 30 hour contract then you should still be paid for a 30 hour contract. If a postie finishes early then its still up to the managers to fill in that gap with more work so that they work all the hours that they are paid for. Managers still know when staff finish early as it shows up when they have logged out of their PDAs.

The worrying thing about all of this is that Royal Mail are just steamrolling it out regardless. They are not debating it with the Union, they are not asking us what we think about it (which is why employee surveys are so obviously pointless). They are TELLING us they are introducing it and doing it as softly as possible. And we all know what its end goal is?? Its to screw us in some shape or form. If the company get away with this then they will eventually end up getting away with paying posties only the hours that they have clocked . I can imagine those LAT drivers or people eventually being employed on zero-hours being done over with this system. Those that don't have a problem with it are the ones that really cannot see the bigger picture.

[Hitcher]

If the company get away with this then they will eventually end up getting away with paying posties only the hours that they have clocked .

If you return to the office early - and the managers say there's no work - you simply wait until the clocking out time and then go home.

It's quite simple really you're paid until that time so you don't clock out until that time.

[richietns]

I agree thats what happened in my old job had to hang about until the clock on the timing machine clicked bang on the hour,wasnt digital then, even if you had nothing to do that way there's no argument either way.

[postslippete]

I agree thats what happened in my old job had to hang about until the clock on the timing machine clicked bang on the hour,wasnt digital then, even if you had nothing to do that way there's no argument either way.

Well it sounds like a remarkable way of slowing down the faster posties. What about the postie that gets dropped off at home?? Do they not get paid if they don't clock out?

[Zicomurphy]

If the company get away with this then they will eventually end up getting away with paying posties only the hours that they have clocked .

If you return to the office early - and the managers say there's no work - you simply wait until the clocking out time and then go home.

It's quite simple really you're paid until that time so you don't clock out until that time.

They only want to pay you for the hours you actually work. Do you really think they are going to let you sit around the office doing nothing until clocking off at your official finish time? If there’s no work they will send you home and expect you to pay the time back when it suits them. People will say they can’t do that because there is no agreement on banking hours but their whole strategy seems to be to ignore the union and bring in the changes they want with or without agreement, and we should all be worried about that.

[Hitcher]

What about the postie that gets dropped off at home?? Do they not get paid if they don't clock out?

They'll have to come back to the office like the rest of us. Some people have got it to easy in this job imo.