Minimum wage up 6.2%

[rambo1]

Lets have a little break from your debate whether postmen are overpaid and how far £11 go in certain areas of UK and lets see how likely we are to get pay rise deal this year. I reckon a rise in the region of 6% is highly unlikely but at anything above CIP index (1.5%) would be fair enough. Hopefully our union or whoever is responsible to negotiate this will approve anything for us.

If pensioners are getting 4% people still working (and paying for their pensions) should be getting the same.

[TrueBlueTerrier]

Lets have a little break from your debate whether postmen are overpaid and how far £11 go in certain areas of UK and lets see how likely we are to get pay rise deal this year. I reckon a rise in the region of 6% is highly unlikely but at anything above CIP index (1.5%) would be fair enough. Hopefully our union or whoever is responsible to negotiate this will approve anything for us.

If pensioners are getting 4% people still working (and paying for their pensions) should be getting the same.

On average they did, that's why the pension rose 3.9%

State Pension rises and the triple lock

At present, the rate at which the State Pension increases is calculated by what's known as the triple lock system.
In short, this means looking at the three figures of annual earnings growth to July, inflation as determined by the Consumer Price Index (CPI) in October, and 2.5%.
Whichever is the highest is the one that'll determine the following year's State Pension increase.

With annual wage growth by far the highest at 3.9%* – inflation came in at 1.7% – this will be the figure applied to the 2020/2021 State

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[leolion855]

Leo er lion your just a wind up merchant on here .

Whys that?

A list of some of my previous jobs.
Car washer, 48 hrs a week for £5 an hr in the mid 2000's
Fully skilled orthopedic technician late 2000's mid 2010s, £10.50 an hr
Warehouse man for currys,again 48 hrs a week, expected to move between 100-200 white goods and stack them per hour for £7.80 an hour.

So after all that 11 quid an hour for walking around pushing letters through a flap or knocking on a door with a parcel really is a walk in the park some of you long tearmers need to go and find the real world!

[Interested-seeker]

Plenty of minimum wage jobs out there. Do try one!

Done a few, quite frankly getting paid £11 to pop a piece of paper through a door and push a button to go bip for a parcel is scandalously well paid.

Are you the first volunteer for a pay reduction then?


.............though not

[Interested-seeker]

Plenty of minimum wage jobs out there. Do try one!

Done a few, quite frankly getting paid £11 to pop a piece of paper through a door and push a button to go bip for a parcel is scandalously well paid.

oh yes, I love to stay out an extra hour over my time just to get an extra £11. Especially when it's chucking it down with rain and I am on a round I don't know. Just knowing that I am getting that £11 in my back pocket so I can buy a couple of Sainsbury's deluxe microwave meals, brings a huge smile to my face.

£11 man, we are living the dream.

Some agent of some footballer just pocketed $15million for saying 'my guy will sign for you'.


anyway, on a serious note....

£11 an hour for someone living in Newport, Wales might be pretty nice, but in the more expensive areas of the UK....£11 doesn't go far.

Also, I did over 10 miles the other day and burnt 1,500 calories. Knackered. I probably wouldn't do this job for min wage.

[leolion855]

Plenty of minimum wage jobs out there. Do try one!

Done a few, quite frankly getting paid £11 to pop a piece of paper through a door and push a button to go bip for a parcel is scandalously well paid.

Are you the first volunteer for a pay reduction then?


.............though not

You know what, when i was in orthopaedics i did exactly that for 6 mths to help keep the company afloat and keep my job, unfortunately it was unsuccessful and the company collapsed.
Its not what RM would pay us, its what DPD/YODEL/TNT etc pay their employees and what RM can afford to pay us to remain competitive.
Yes they could pay us £15/£20 an hour BUT they would have to put the price of parcel delivery up to the equivalent to make a profit, and as we are already amongst the most expensive parcel delivery options that would price us out of the market and send our customers to the competition who pay their staff MUCH less and then there would need to be a serious amount of job losses to help balance the books.

I'm all for an inflationary rise as that should be within the companies budget.

[Grumpyoldmailman]

You know what, when i was in orthopaedics i did exactly that for 6 mths to help keep the company afloat and keep my job, unfortunately it was unsuccessful and the company collapsed.
Its not what RM would pay us, its what DPD/YODEL/TNT etc pay their employees and what RM can afford to pay us to remain competitive.
Yes they could pay us £15/£20 an hour BUT they would have to put the price of parcel delivery up to the equivalent to make a profit, and as we are already amongst the most expensive parcel delivery options that would price us out of the market and send our customers to the competition who pay their staff MUCH less and then there would need to be a serious amount of job losses to help balance the books.

I'm all for an inflationary rise as that should be within the companies budget.

I hope the ones at the top lead by example when you took your pay cut to try and save the business, they sure as hell won’t at RM.

[daveyeff]

we are on what we are because the union fought for it. RM do not pay us £11 odd an hour cos they think we are great and deserve it. if it WAS up to RM then we would most certainly be on minimum wage.

[work]

we are on what we are because the union fought for it. RM do not pay us £11 odd an hour cos they think we are great and deserve it. if it WAS up to RM then we would most certainly be on minimum wage.

of course...and anyone who says otherwise is an arse. unions work and without them we're all doomed. it is not about competition. it is about quality. you pay peanuts and you get monkeys...simples: just look at the social "care" system in this country - for looking after the most vulnerable people in society...the wages are shocking...purely because there is no profit in it does not mean that there should not be quality care. unfortunately, care is now a private business and therefore all costs for the many (wages/care received) are minimised to maximise profit for some (bosses bonus packages/pensions etc) ...it's a fkicng liberty that the needy: kids/elderly/infirm/ill/vulnerable are being tret like cattle in one of the richest countries in the world. but that's the pill the tory ideal has force fed us: no such thing as society; don't look after your own kids/elderly etc. pay someone else to do it and keep slaving away for your own ends/mortgage/credit debt/pension etc. BOOLSHYT.

all unions work for the collective good...just wish that the part-timers were represented in so much that rm are dividing the unions power by NOT having any more ft contracts...the cwu needs to keep in touch with it's pt membership or it may just lose a massive sector of the workforce's support...i propose that when all holiday pay is brought in-line with 'average hours worked then contracts should become flexible, too. therefore reflecting the average hours worked/ committed to by all workers who can and want more hours; but crucially CONTRACTED into their role/post. Some don't want more. fine. quite a lot do...so respect this and get 'em 'made-up' to the average; thus garnering a continued mutual respect between union and staff: for the greater good of the workforce who are willing and able to prop up a failing business model.

we stand together.

[postslippete]

Plenty of minimum wage jobs out there. Do try one!

Done a few, quite frankly getting paid £11 to pop a piece of paper through a door and push a button to go bip for a parcel is scandalously well paid.

Are you the first volunteer for a pay reduction then?


.............though not

You know what, when i was in orthopaedics i did exactly that for 6 mths to help keep the company afloat and keep my job, unfortunately it was unsuccessful and the company collapsed.
Its not what RM would pay us, its what DPD/YODEL/TNT etc pay their employees and what RM can afford to pay us to remain competitive.
Yes they could pay us £15/£20 an hour BUT they would have to put the price of parcel delivery up to the equivalent to make a profit, and as we are already amongst the most expensive parcel delivery options that would price us out of the market and send our customers to the competition who pay their staff MUCH less and then there would need to be a serious amount of job losses to help balance the books.

I'm all for an inflationary rise as that should be within the companies budget.

I'm sure you would help me stand corrected on this one Leo but its not just increasing posties wages that have an operational cost to the business. There are other things like the managers wages and bonuses plus all these managers with daft titles in RM on silly money, then theres all these vans instead of posties going on out on bicycles, thousands of PDAs and uniforms which many posties get and don't return when they leave a few months later when they realise how physically exhausted and monotonous our job actually is...

[leolion855]

Plenty of minimum wage jobs out there. Do try one!

Done a few, quite frankly getting paid £11 to pop a piece of paper through a door and push a button to go bip for a parcel is scandalously well paid.

Are you the first volunteer for a pay reduction then?


.............though not

You know what, when i was in orthopaedics i did exactly that for 6 mths to help keep the company afloat and keep my job, unfortunately it was unsuccessful and the company collapsed.
Its not what RM would pay us, its what DPD/YODEL/TNT etc pay their employees and what RM can afford to pay us to remain competitive.
Yes they could pay us £15/£20 an hour BUT they would have to put the price of parcel delivery up to the equivalent to make a profit, and as we are already amongst the most expensive parcel delivery options that would price us out of the market and send our customers to the competition who pay their staff MUCH less and then there would need to be a serious amount of job losses to help balance the books.

I'm all for an inflationary rise as that should be within the companies budget.

I'm sure you would help me stand corrected on this one Leo but its not just increasing posties wages that have an operational cost to the business. There are other things like the managers wages and bonuses plus all these managers with daft titles in RM on silly money, then theres all these vans instead of posties going on out on bicycles, thousands of PDAs and uniforms which many posties get and don't return when they leave a few months later when they realise how physically exhausted and monotonous our job actually is...

No arguments here, it all has to be factored into the costs of running the business.