National Industrial Action Ballot

Janet Brum · Post by **Janet Brum** » 07 Oct 2019, 19:47

No, but they would work one our less, same in my eyes...

Post by **97gaz** » 08 Oct 2019, 00:13

Post by **97gaz** » 08 Oct 2019, 00:25

Woody Guthrie · Post by **Woody Guthrie** » 08 Oct 2019, 06:22

And as we aren't paying for it by increased productivity

Taking an hour of the working week automatically increases productivity as long as you're covering the same workload.

It only fails if management fail to implement it properly.

Biker Mouse · Post by **Biker Mouse** » 08 Oct 2019, 17:00

Janet Brum wrote:No, but they would work one our less, same in my eyes...

Then if it’s a pay rise, tell me one thing I could buy with the extra money.

Post by **97gaz** » 08 Oct 2019, 19:35

Janet Brum · Post by **Janet Brum** » 08 Oct 2019, 20:14

Biker Mouse wrote:
Janet Brum wrote:No, but they would work one our less, same in my eyes...
Then if it’s a pay rise, tell me one thing I could buy with the extra money.

Basically, having one hour off your duty means you will make money from the OT being paid for that hour in order for you to complete your duty :)
Unless you finish early like many others...

mr hil. · Post by **mr hil.** » 09 Oct 2019, 18:14

The extra hour off the working week was to be funded by delivery offices receiving more Mech and less manual letters so could reduce the indoor time. The trials for the on street merging of mail and other new delivery methods and no throwing sequenced mail into your frames didn't work so the savings expected weren't realized resulting in no extra hour off the working week. It is self explanatory if you follow things over the entire year.

The only fault the union should have foreseen was that the trials would fail and they should have not agreed to the absolute requirement for the savings to be self funded in the second year. They should have got an agreement to continue working to find a solution to achieve the required savings/productivity improvement to trigger the second hour off the week without the savings to have actually been made.

Woody Guthrie · Post by **Woody Guthrie** » 09 Oct 2019, 18:38

It's not really got much to do with mech or delivery method trials.

It's actually more to do with the fact that the business and the union couldn't agree a funding formula that could be fairly applied across the entire business.

There are huge differences in efficiency across the business from area to area and for some less efficient areas a 5% saving would be a piece of piss, for other offices that are already full of part-time staff and working their nuts off a 5% saving would crucify the staff.

Royal Mail wants the less efficient offices to take a bigger slice of the pain, unfortunately for them these are the most militant, highly unionised and organised offices.

Post by **eastie** » 09 Oct 2019, 18:49

97gaz wrote:
Walking boots wrote:I have no clue why we might be going on strike, the only information I have is what I've read on here, our rep doesn't have a clue either, someone asked him today and he said he doesn't know what it's about but we should all vote yes, its laughable that we are all expected to lose money but nobody wants to take the time to explain why and what strikes could achieve

fb1969 wrote:I would guess that less than 10% of our office know anything about the situation, let alone a pending ballot for industrial action. Our rep was on leave last week, he's been in this week but apart from walking round with a pile of Trimble reports, telling people what they had done wrong while driving, I've heard and seen nothing of him. Then again I am part time, its possible he's said something long before the part timers start.
Jesus. The CWU need their arses kicking. It was the same with the last dispute. There's a rabbit off here.

The biggest point for me in this dispute is the staff losses. ROYAL MAIL PLAN TO ABSORB I IN 6 DUTIES IN EVERY F888KING OFFICE. NOT SELECTED OFFICES. EVERY OFFICE. If you're one of the one in six then your job is gone and you're joining the dole. Unless you work in one of the 300 LAT offices in which case you'll be delivering practically all the packets for multiple offices and you'll be working 12-8pm. If you are not in one of the one in six then you're getting 20% extra work added to your delivery.

Here's your choices.
1 The Dole
2 packets from 12-8pm
3 20% extra delivery work in the same hours.

Royal Mail have spent a fortune on these new parcel hubs and investing over £1billion so they are going to want a return on that money. Change IS going to happen. We need a yes vote to try to get the best deal we can from these changes.

Forget about the sodding three pillars crap and the shorter working week. They're not going to honour that because the agreement relied on savings and we haven't had any. It's a bloody red herring.

start time and and finish time the same so why worry. What doesnt get done gets left behind for the runners

Post by **SpacePhoenix** » 09 Oct 2019, 19:49

mr hil. wrote:The extra hour off the working week was to be funded by delivery offices receiving more Mech and less manual letters so could reduce the indoor time.

An increase in mech mail was never going to happen, all mechable mail on wave 1 gets run, some mail is bound to go manual on wave 2 as the CSS machines can't hang around waiting for iLSMs/IMPs to have batch sorted all mechable wave 2 mail (the only way that would change is if all of wave 2 went walk sort only instead of half the batches walk sort and half sequenced)

Post by **97gaz** » 09 Oct 2019, 20:21

work · Post by **work** » 10 Oct 2019, 07:39

That won't apply to those that lose their jobs. You are aware that one of the things they'd like is a compulsory overtime clause in your contract? 30 mins per day.[/quote]

who'd like...cwu or rmg? please evidence your source.

Post by **97gaz** » 10 Oct 2019, 18:47

k979aaa · Post by **k979aaa** » 11 Oct 2019, 23:34

Biker Mouse wrote:
Janet Brum wrote:It makes sense when the SWW gives us a pay rise. By taking one hour off the working week, we get a pay rise...
Only for part timers. Full timers do fewer hours for the same money. It’s not a pay rise for them, just an hourly rate rise. A full timer will get no extra cash.

No they don't get extra cash just work an hour less ie pay rise on hour by hour it is not your job to fit 38 hours work into 37 or 36 hours a week it is the managers job tell them and be glad you are not doing 45 hours work for half the pay!