Yes vote

Post by **Pathfinder** » 26 Sep 2019, 17:54

Massive yes vote from me.

This guy is the real deal though and i think it's absolutely disgusting what they want while lining their pockets.

Marshamp11 · Post by **Marshamp11** » 26 Sep 2019, 18:17

billycat wrote:I was asked a straight forward question this morning which I couldn't answer if we were to go on strike in November as expected would we forfeit our £200 pound xmas bonus?

Given that managers never got there bonuses I for one believe that the company have no intention of given us any Xmas bonus regardless of any industrial action.

yellowbelly · Post by **yellowbelly** » 26 Sep 2019, 19:19

billycat wrote:I was asked a straight forward question this morning which I couldn't answer if we were to go on strike in November as expected would we forfeit our £200 pound xmas bonus?

From the Christmas pay supplement planning document dated Aug 2016:

For each day (counted midnight to midnight, excluding Bank Holidays) on which an employee takes official industrial action, their supplement will be abated by 3%.
For each day (counted midnight to midnight, excluding Bank Holidays) on which an employee takes unofficial industrial action, their supplement will be abated by 10%.
In each of the above instances, the abatement for industrial action will be measured inclusively from the day the action starts until the day normal work recommences.

From the CWU Productivity Scheme Underpin Payment document dated Nov 2015, para 13

13. Subject to meeting other payment criteria, payments are not reduced for part years worked, family friendly leave, industrial action, Unpaid Special Leave, periods of Sick Half or Sick No Pay prior to the date of payment, nor for periods of short term substitution outside of an eligible grade. Employees on career break at the date of payment will not be eligible.

Whether these rules are still extant is another thing........

Chelseablue · Post by **Chelseablue** » 29 Sep 2019, 12:41

Why would a christmas bonus come into anyones thoughts reg this dispute? Or is that the greed thing coming into it again with ppl . Shakes my head

Seymour Buts · Post by **Seymour Buts** » 29 Sep 2019, 14:39

Chelseablue wrote:Why would a christmas bonus come into anyones thoughts reg this dispute? Or is that the greed thing coming into it again with ppl . Shakes my head

Because Christmas is a particularly expensive time? I happen to be in the fortunate position my wife earns a decent salary meaning I won't miss a day's money here and there or our bonus but not everybody is that lucky. I have voted yes and will walk out; if you live week to week that might not be an option though.

Celgar · Post by **Celgar** » 29 Sep 2019, 14:57

£200 is nothing compared to the £1820 RRIS payment per annum which we will likely forfeit if the plan to drop Saturdays as a delivery day goes ahead at the end of next year. Dependent on timing of any industrial action to collide stoppages with say election mailouts we may not actually have to actually strike especially if we get a near 100% yes vote.
The bosses seem fairly committed to where they wish to take the company so I'm not optimistic for the future but we have to try and save the RM if we can.

Post by **wacko74** » 29 Sep 2019, 15:23

Celgar wrote:£200 is nothing compared to the £1820 RRIS payment per annum which we will likely forfeit if the plan to drop Saturdays as a delivery day goes ahead at the end of next year.

Another money for nothing/grandfather right ''legacy payment'' that most of the workforce aren't lucky enough to get anyway

Celgar · Post by **Celgar** » 29 Sep 2019, 15:41

ihatedogs wrote:RM could stick to the four pillars agreement.

We need the consultant led 'new parcel strategy' to be binned!! Fair enough to introducing conveyer belts and machinery to increase our parcel capacity although that has to be combined with RM sales directors & staff acquiring more contracts and business otherwise increased capacity would not be used.
Once across the ground delivering letters, flats, packets, & parcels is the optimum way for us to deliver our product as RM have said themselves until fairly recently. If the union are not able or willing to defend this then we have not chance. Securing a pay rise for part time staff via the SWW is not what we should be concentrating on. Even the idea of moving to a five day operation cannot be even discussed by RM until the talks on the USO which won't start until over a year from now. That is a threat for the future which should be fought then and not now. It is just muddying the waters and drawing our fire.
The new parcel strategy should be our sold target as that is the immediate threat to thousands of jobs and a total change in how we work in RM. In the long term it is in effect the end of ALL our jobs as we currently complete them!

Celgar · Post by **Celgar** » 29 Sep 2019, 15:45

wacko74 wrote:
Celgar wrote:£200 is nothing compared to the £1820 RRIS payment per annum which we will likely forfeit if the plan to drop Saturdays as a delivery day goes ahead at the end of next year.

Another money for nothing/grandfather right ''legacy payment'' that most of the workforce aren't lucky enough to get anyway

I'm only a postie so I don't have access to the information as regards which parts of the UK receive this payment.

Maybe Martin Walsh has access to this data and can let us all know?? I suspect a fairly large part of the workforce receive it given the general attitude of people to working over the weekend.

Jefferson Starfish · Post by **Jefferson Starfish** » 29 Sep 2019, 15:48

I've been a postie for over 30 years and have never had a payment like this.

grchpo · Post by **grchpo** » 29 Sep 2019, 16:30

What is RRIS, l've never heard of it & it doesn't show on my payslip ?

Post by **iainwilson** » 29 Sep 2019, 16:56

Celgar wrote:
ihatedogs wrote:RM could stick to the four pillars agreement.
We need the consultant led 'new parcel strategy' to be binned!! Fair enough to introducing conveyer belts and machinery to increase our parcel capacity although that has to be combined with RM sales directors & staff acquiring more contracts and business otherwise increased capacity would not be used.
Once across the ground delivering letters, flats, packets, & parcels is the optimum way for us to deliver our product as RM have said themselves until fairly recently. If the union are not able or willing to defend this then we have not chance. Securing a pay rise for part time staff via the SWW is not what we should be concentrating on. Even the idea of moving to a five day operation cannot be even discussed by RM until the talks on the USO which won't start until over a year from now. That is a threat for the future which should be fought then and not now. It is just muddying the waters and drawing our fire.
The new parcel strategy should be our sold target as that is the immediate threat to thousands of jobs and a total change in how we work in RM. In the long term it is in effect the end of ALL our jobs as we currently complete them!

In Parcelforce we went to a 7 day week a couple of years ago it’s purely OT and not anyone’s scheduled duty. If RM want to increase capacity for parcels and get new business surely Sunday delivery has to be on the table. This could save a load of job losses from the declining letters numbers whether you are delivering letters on a sat or not.

Post by **midegarelu** » 29 Sep 2019, 17:07

grchpo wrote:What is RRIS, l've never heard of it & it doesn't show on my payslip ?

RRIS - Recruitment & Retention Incentive Scheme

It is a payment to encourage Posties to start and then stay.

westham000 · Post by **westham000** » 29 Sep 2019, 22:18

Yes vote
Thu Sep 26, 2019 4:04 pm
I was asked a straight forward question this morning which I couldn't answer if we were to go on strike in November as expected would we forfeit our £200 pound xmas bonus?

We got the £200 bonus because of The CWU!

Post by **rogersh** » 29 Sep 2019, 22:44

Celgar wrote:
ihatedogs wrote:RM could stick to the four pillars agreement.
We need the consultant led 'new parcel strategy' to be binned!! Fair enough to introducing conveyer belts and machinery to increase our parcel capacity although that has to be combined with RM sales directors & staff acquiring more contracts and business otherwise increased capacity would not be used.
Once across the ground delivering letters, flats, packets, & parcels is the optimum way for us to deliver our product as RM have said themselves until fairly recently. If the union are not able or willing to defend this then we have not chance. Securing a pay rise for part time staff via the SWW is not what we should be concentrating on. Even the idea of moving to a five day operation cannot be even discussed by RM until the talks on the USO which won't start until over a year from now. That is a threat for the future which should be fought then and not now. It is just muddying the waters and drawing our fire.
The new parcel strategy should be our sold target as that is the immediate threat to thousands of jobs and a total change in how we work in RM. In the long term it is in effect the end of ALL our jobs as we currently complete them!

Ofcom Report 2019/20 (edit)
Annual Plan 2019/20
"We will bring forward some of the work we had planned to undertake as part of our next review of the regulation of Royal Mail which, as we set out in spring 2017,22 we intended to undertake by 2022...... In the next financial year, in addition to our current work programme, we will:
• Carry out a review of Royal Mail’s efficiency. This work will give us more insights into the likely future sustainability of the universal postal service. We intend to provide our latest view on the sustainability of the universal postal service"

So it is possible the review may commence as early as April 2020. In six months time.