Revalations on PEC voting

[baldrick]

IWW - I must have been working 43 hours when I first started but I truly don't remember and I thought it was much longer since we went to 40 hours but I stand corrected.

However I still think we should go for a shorter week - having said that I only work 25 now - and some say I don't work that, the cheeky swines.

I was on a 43 hour week when I started too. It was reduced to 41.5 hours, then 40 hours under the Way Forward. But the Way Forward also scrapped local agreements. So I lost the 15 minute end of duty concession we had in my office (for washing and changing), and fifty minutes a day in breaks - we used to have a 50 minute meal relief and two 20 minute grace breaks which was reduced to a total of 40 minutes a day, so we actually ended up working 1 hour and 5 minutes longer each day. Must admit the longer annual leave was welcome, but local authority workers and most big employers give similar additional leave with longer service.

[IWW Fellow Worker]

IWW - I must have been working 43 hours when I first started but I truly don't remember and I thought it was much longer since we went to 40 hours but I stand corrected.

However I still think we should go for a shorter week - having said that I only work 25 now - and some say I don't work that, the cheeky swines.

I was on a 43 hour week when I started too. It was reduced to 41.5 hours, then 40 hours under the Way Forward. But the Way Forward also scrapped local agreements. So I lost the 15 minute end of duty concession we had in my office (for washing and changing), and fifty minutes a day in breaks - we used to have a 50 minute meal relief and two 20 minute grace breaks which was reduced to a total of 40 minutes a day, so we actually ended up working 1 hour and 5 minutes longer each day. Must admit the longer annual leave was welcome, but local authority workers and most big employers give similar additional leave with longer service.

And if I remember rightly, we stall had to have 20 years service to get 30 days A/L when an office boy screw got that as soon as he put a tie on.

[dvbuk55]

Baldrick said:

I was on a 43 hour week when I started too. It was reduced to 41.5 hours, then 40 hours under the Way Forward. But the Way Forward also scrapped local agreements. So I lost the 15 minute end of duty concession we had in my office (for washing and changing), and fifty minutes a day in breaks - we used to have a 50 minute meal relief and two 20 minute grace breaks which was reduced to a total of 40 minutes a day, so we actually ended up working 1 hour and 5 minutes longer each day. Must admit the longer annual leave was welcome, but local authority workers and most big employers give similar additional leave with longer service.


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Well my friend if you have a cunning plan now would be the ideal time to reveal it - because we certainly need one.

[baldrick]

If I did I would be GS.

[marky]

LETS VOTE FOR THE RETURN OF THE MOD DAYS...

WE ARE THE MODS WE WE ARE THE MODS WE R WE R WE R THE MODS.!!!!!!


THEY WHERE THE DAYS. AHHHHHH

[IWW Fellow Worker]

LETS VOTE FOR THE RETURN OF THE MOD DAYS...

WE ARE THE MODS WE WE ARE THE MODS WE R WE R WE R THE MODS.!!!!!!


THEY WHERE THE DAYS. AHHHHHH

I'm a skinhead. Have been since I was 14 and I can't see that changing now mate!

[marky]

where they not the days m8. mods, skins, rockers, punks.!!!!!

the good old days where u got your head kicked in,, loved it.

[baldrick]

It's just because we were young then but not any more

[IWW Fellow Worker]

where they not the days m8. mods, skins, rockers, punks.!!!!!

the good old days where u got your head kicked in,, loved it.

Happy days mate! Toots and the Maytals,Symarip, a bit of Motown. I still buy some of my clothes from Warrior.

http://warriorclothing.com/uk/shop//ind ... 262ef9fef3

and a few badges from:

http://tinyurl.com/yvydut

[marky]

nice 1 baldrick how true you are

[geopip]

I can only try and find out why or if he did tell the PEC to vote for the deal.

Whilst this thread may appear to sing the praises of Terry and not Dave I would like to point out I really like Dave but am totally disappointed by the deal and feel let down and I know that’s how many others feel.

I understand that at the logistics reps briefing this week Terry once again reiterated his support for the document!

Are you sure he was not talking about the separate ballot taking place for Network Drivers?

no he was talking after being asked whether or not he thought deal would go through

I have asked a couple of Area Distribution reps who were at the meeting and they told me Terry did not mention the deal and they were there till the end of the meeting?

[BELIAL]

Well ain't politics a dirty game. Looks like theres lots of it going on at HQ, maybe they should just do their jobs well and stop treating the membership as pawns in their sordid personal plots

[kill Joy]

Reading that in full really brings home how little has changed over the years. I don't know if it is just me and my nostalgic view of the past but surely we were tougher negotiators 30 years ago. So many people say things were different then but in reality they weren't - it is we who were different, who were prepared to stand and fight for what we truly believed was our just reward for our time. Sadly I feel we are never going to return to those days when we knew we were right and would stand by it.

Have to agree with you there dvbuk55. I think the problem is that society, in general, has changed, and our membership (and leadership) has as well. Unfortunately the Thatcher Government's defeat of the strongest sections of the trade union movement - the Miners, the Dockers and the Fleet St Printers - has led to a demoralisation within our ranks. The older members of our union have gradually left, and the newer entrants are glad to have escaped the temporary contracts/part time low pay working prevalent today, and think it is down to a benevolent employer. They are going to learn the hard way that is what RM have planned for us too.

Cant agree with dvbuk55 for the very reasons baldrick states and I've stated on previous posts. Facts are the labour and trade union movement aint where it was 20 or 30 years ago. And then we had a chance of some suport from the our labour party. Also the younger generation dont have the same conection with militant trade unionism and politics as many of us did. The're radical activities are more likely to hinge on single issue like climate change, globalisation and green issues. We need to appeal to these people.

We really do need to start building our movement again. Those that suggest the CWU is some kind of weak sell out capitalist collaborators should wake up and smell the coffee, talk to activists from other unions and you'll find out what they have to put up with. Frankly I am gettin a litle p"ssed off with all this defeatest crap. Whether we like it or not the deal is going through and if some of you aint up for the fight ahead then perhaps its time to jump ship and leave it to those willing to continue the fight.

And sorry dvdbuk55 I take it back you aint smater than me, never thought you were!

[dvbuk55]

Reading that in full really brings home how little has changed over the years. I don't know if it is just me and my nostalgic view of the past but surely we were tougher negotiators 30 years ago. So many people say things were different then but in reality they weren't - it is we who were different, who were prepared to stand and fight for what we truly believed was our just reward for our time. Sadly I feel we are never going to return to those days when we knew we were right and would stand by it.

Have to agree with you there dvbuk55. I think the problem is that society, in general, has changed, and our membership (and leadership) has as well. Unfortunately the Thatcher Government's defeat of the strongest sections of the trade union movement - the Miners, the Dockers and the Fleet St Printers - has led to a demoralisation within our ranks. The older members of our union have gradually left, and the newer entrants are glad to have escaped the temporary contracts/part time low pay working prevalent today, and think it is down to a benevolent employer. They are going to learn the hard way that is what RM have planned for us too.

Cant agree with dvbuk55 for the very reasons baldrick states and I've stated on previous posts. Facts are the labour and trade union movement aint where it was 20 or 30 years ago. And then we had a chance of some suport from the our labour party. Also the younger generation dont have the same conection with militant trade unionism and politics as many of us did. The're radical activities are more likely to hinge on single issue like climate change, globalisation and green issues. We need to appeal to these people.

We really do need to start building our movement again. Those that suggest the CWU is some kind of weak sell out capitalist collaborators should wake up and smell the coffee, talk to activists from other unions and you'll find out what they have to put up with. Frankly I am gettin a litle p"ssed off with all this defeatest crap. Whether we like it or not the deal is going through and if some of you aint up for the fight ahead then perhaps its time to jump ship and leave it to those willing to continue the fight.

And sorry dvdbuk55 I take it back you aint smater than me, never thought you were!

Don't be sorry killjoy - get real. In order to rebuild something there has to be the will and today the likes of you who will accept whatever is shovelled your way don't have what it takes. So stay in the trenches and wait for the bombardment.

[kill Joy]

Reading that in full really brings home how little has changed over the years. I don't know if it is just me and my nostalgic view of the past but surely we were tougher negotiators 30 years ago. So many people say things were different then but in reality they weren't - it is we who were different, who were prepared to stand and fight for what we truly believed was our just reward for our time. Sadly I feel we are never going to return to those days when we knew we were right and would stand by it.

Have to agree with you there dvbuk55. I think the problem is that society, in general, has changed, and our membership (and leadership) has as well. Unfortunately the Thatcher Government's defeat of the strongest sections of the trade union movement - the Miners, the Dockers and the Fleet St Printers - has led to a demoralisation within our ranks. The older members of our union have gradually left, and the newer entrants are glad to have escaped the temporary contracts/part time low pay working prevalent today, and think it is down to a benevolent employer. They are going to learn the hard way that is what RM have planned for us too.

Cant agree with dvbuk55 for the very reasons baldrick states and I've stated on previous posts. Facts are the labour and trade union movement aint where it was 20 or 30 years ago. And then we had a chance of some suport from the our labour party. Also the younger generation dont have the same conection with militant trade unionism and politics as many of us did. The're radical activities are more likely to hinge on single issue like climate change, globalisation and green issues. We need to appeal to these people.

We really do need to start building our movement again. Those that suggest the CWU is some kind of weak sell out capitalist collaborators should wake up and smell the coffee, talk to activists from other unions and you'll find out what they have to put up with. Frankly I am gettin a litle p"ssed off with all this defeatest crap. Whether we like it or not the deal is going through and if some of you aint up for the fight ahead then perhaps its time to jump ship and leave it to those willing to continue the fight.

And sorry dvdbuk55 I take it back you aint smater than me, never thought you were!

Don't be sorry killjoy - get real. In order to rebuild something there has to be the will and today the likes of you who will accept whatever is shovelled your way don't have what it takes. So stay in the trenches and wait for the bombardment.

That's the difference between me and you my friend I am real. If I thought we could have led our members into further battle with the deal thats on offer believe me I'd have been the first one over the top. I think we'll just have to agree to disagree - you clearly think we could have carried onto some kind of glorious victory, I do not. One thing I dont want is a glorious defeat - then where would we be. I just don't believe the members would look at the deal and be prepared to carry on. So for me its not a question of wot I think, I'll always fight on if I believe the members will, on this occassion Iam convinced we would not have been able to explain why they were going out again. Please dont assume that because I say do the deal consolidate and live to fight another day than somehow Im in a bumker, that just aint my style never has been never will be.