Any 5 yr plan update?

[chickenwittle]

Gets bought by a german company. No more letter delivery, as uso is up for review in a couple of years, and they franchise delivery on a postcode basis making 100,000 redundant.

Uso review has been brought forward a year to 2020 , so we will soon know more.

[zz666]

RM's 5 year plan didn't mention 35 hour week at all. I think a 35 hour week is a pipe dream.

[blacov]

Our second trays are already not being sequenced.

You need to raise this with the Union at area level, if it’s a one off due to a machine break down then that can’t be helped but it should not be arriving like that every day

This is the problem. My DOM refuse to pay for breaks where partner I work with ignore and I am kind of forced to work through my break which I dont mind as long as I get paid for it. I offered taking lapsing and suggested it will be tight finish and I might go over 30min and if they would pay overtime. Answer was to leave it as they are not allowed to pay overtime. I guess they found idiot who would do it for free. This is going very bad way. Also when you manage to finish like 30-40min early including some lapsing you are send back out as they struggle to clear all walks. As far as I am aware you are allowed to take your meal relief at the end of duty. I find it hard to take break around 11:30 am as suggested because of 1pm special deliveries so I decide to work efficiently and stick to the walk and deliver it all on time.

[SpacePhoenix]

It’s not going as the union have stopped it. There plan was to reduce the number of CSS machines so the ones left would have to do more work. This then has a knock on effect of dispatch times. To try and get the dispatches to leave at a similar time as they do now RM proposed to just walk sort the street wave 2. It’s not happening though

Our second trays are already not being sequenced.

Locally the work plan for wave 2 is for half the batches to be sequenced and half to be work sorted only. I doubt it'll be too long before all the batches on wave 2 get walk sorted only, to give RM some savings

[worktotime]

To be honest, we probably won't get an update on the talks, until the union Pec/Nec elections are finished.

It can't be far off the first month of talks ending now. If no decision is reached it goes to a month of mediation with a third party. Given that the first super hub is in the process of being constructed or set up I don't see much chance of the union being able to stop the new parcel strategy plan. Consensus on this forum seems to be that the union will try to placate us with the 35 hour week. A 35 hour week isn't much use when you still have 40 hours of work to do.

its simple , FINISH TIME and home , lol

[hans solo]

2nd wave in west of scotland dont get sequenced just walk sorted through css

[Phantom]

To be honest, we probably won't get an update on the talks, until the union Pec/Nec elections are finished.

It can't be far off the first month of talks ending now. If no decision is reached it goes to a month of mediation with a third party. Given that the first super hub is in the process of being constructed or set up I don't see much chance of the union being able to stop the new parcel strategy plan. Consensus on this forum seems to be that the union will try to placate us with the 35 hour week. A 35 hour week isn't much use when you still have 40 hours of work to do.

its simple , FINISH TIME and home , lol

@Worktotime - some postmen/women simply don't get it, I mean what idiot says "how can we do 40hrs work in 35hrs????" jesus f***ing Christ. Pass me a gun, now!

[wacko74]

Our second wave also comes unsequenced.

I've got to admit (for the first time ever) the decline in letters is now becoming noticeable, not that it actually saves us much time on delivery as it still takes just as long to deliver 1 letter to a house as it takes to deliver 3. But the financial impact on the business must be considerable, I can definitely see the USO being reduced to 5 days maybe even less when the review comes up

[number one]

8th July 2019

For the Immediate Attention of All:

Postal Branches

Divisional Representative



Dear Colleagues

Letter Automation Strategy – CSS Machine Removal Programme

Both departments continue to receive reports from Branches and Divisions on proposals in the field for CSS machine removals from MPU’s. In some cases these proposals involve changes to mails presentation and sequencing levels to the point that sequenced mail on Wave 2 could be replaced by walksort or even batch sort solutions. In our opinion this flies in the face of previous business policy with regard to sequencing levels and indeed National agreements.

Within our respective forums we have informed the business that we do not believe that this activity could be described as Business as Usual and that matters relating to future automation strategy and the location and utilisation of machines across the Mail Centre and MPU estate are an integral part of the Strategic Review of the Operational Pipeline defined in Section 14 of the Guiding Principles agreement. It is the non-adherence to the commitments in Section 14 of our agreement which has in large part led to the current Point of Principle disagreement between the company and the Union.

Clearly letter decline will be a factor in any agreed strategy going forward. However much like the Parcel Strategy announced by Royal Mail at their Capital Markets day, the CWU expect to be fully involved in the development of future operational design rather than have the business thinking forced through as a “fait accompli”.

We have therefore written to the business requesting that all current activity in this area is ceased until such time as proposals on any National strategy have been presented to the CWU, cross functionally in line with the commitments in the Guiding Principles and that agreement has been reached on an onward process.

We would therefore request that where proposals are received for CSS machine removals that they are brought to the attention of the respective departments and that they are entered into the IR Framework on the basis that the strategy is proper to National consultation and agreement in line with National agreement.

Any enquiries in relation to this LTB should be addressed to Davie Robertson, Assistant Secretary, email: dwyatt@cwu.org or shayman@cwu.org quoting reference number: 712.02.

or

Outdoor Department, email: outdoorsecretary@cwu.org quoting reference number: 540.

Davie Robertson – Assistant Secretary

Mark Baulch – Assistant Secretary

[Hitcher]

One good thing from dropping sequencing of mail would be that RM couldn't then drag any idiot off the street and get them to prep & deliver a walk. So in one way it is an additional safeguard to our jobs but not indefinitely.

You have no manual mail whatsoever?

[ted_e_bear]

Our second trays are already not being sequenced.

RMs priority is packets, parcels, and the more expensive services such as special delivery. RM want to move away from letters & flats as soon as they can.

Exactly, also I think it's finally sinking in that by losing d2ds that they can also lose loads of staff, premises and vehicles and also save shitloads more money than they actually make on providing them as a service.
That's just my thoughts please correct me if I'm wrong.

[number one]

Our second trays are already not being sequenced.

RMs priority is packets, parcels, and the more expensive services such as special delivery. RM want to move away from letters & flats as soon as they can.

Exactly, also I think it's finally sinking in that by losing d2ds that they can also lose loads of staff, premises and vehicles and also save shitloads more money than they actually make on providing them as a service.
That's just my thoughts please correct me if I'm wrong.

Losing d2d’s? What are you people on about?

[Celgar]

One good thing from dropping sequencing of mail would be that RM couldn't then drag any idiot off the street and get them to prep & deliver a walk. So in one way it is an additional safeguard to our jobs but not indefinitely.

You have no manual mail whatsoever?

We have one postie opening the DO and doing an hour of early IPS. We get the first wave of sequenced mech letters along with letters, flats, packets, & parcels to sort on IPS. Two walks don't do IPS because they are too long. We then get the second wave of sequenced mech letters arrive at about 0700. The order of the sequenced letters is of variable quality though and the other day it was part walk sorted and part sequenced. Lines up with what others have said is happening so maybe it is already policy to do so.

[Celgar]

Our second trays are already not being sequenced.

RMs priority is packets, parcels, and the more expensive services such as special delivery. RM want to move away from letters & flats as soon as they can.

Exactly, also I think it's finally sinking in that by losing d2ds that they can also lose loads of staff, premises and vehicles and also save shitloads more money than they actually make on providing them as a service.
That's just my thoughts please correct me if I'm wrong.

Losing d2d’s? What are you people on about?

In recent times we have always been told D2Ds are an excellent money maker for RM. I don't know how it will up end up like but I imagine they will still want to deliver D2Ds.

[SpacePhoenix]

Our second trays are already not being sequenced.

RMs priority is packets, parcels, and the more expensive services such as special delivery. RM want to move away from letters & flats as soon as they can.

Exactly, also I think it's finally sinking in that by losing d2ds that they can also lose loads of staff, premises and vehicles and also save shitloads more money than they actually make on providing them as a service.
That's just my thoughts please correct me if I'm wrong.

Losing d2d’s? What are you people on about?

In recent times we have always been told D2Ds are an excellent money maker for RM. I don't know how it will up end up like but I imagine they will still want to deliver D2Ds.

With the decline in letters I'd expect RM to want to deliver even more D2Ds than they do now