avfc1980 wrote:We are being told in our office that we must take 20 minutes of our break before we leave the office and can’t take it when we are out on delivery. Has any other office been told this? Personally I like to take 20 mins after I’ve done a couple of hours delivery and then 20 mins at the end of my duty
Employers can say when employees take rest breaks during work time as long as:
the break is taken in one go somewhere in the middle of the day (not at the beginning or end)
workers are allowed to spend it away from their desk or workstation (ie away from where they actually work)
It doesn’t count as a rest break if an employer says an employee should go back to work before their break is finished.
The break is taken IN ONE GO ? somewhere in the middle of the day (not at the beginning or end)
Please correct me if I am wrong but I read this if you are full time as your 40 minute break in one go ?
The minimum by law is 20 minutes for our usual contract lengths, we get "extra". The law states that the twenty minutes should be taken in one go, it is then up to you how you take any remaining time.
meako wrote:
The break is taken IN ONE GO ? somewhere in the middle of the day (not at the beginning or end)
Please correct me if I am wrong but I read this if you are full time as your 40 minute break in one go ?
you can insist its taken in one go.
If you choose to do a 20/20 split then I doubt the managers would stop you.
In the end its up to you.
No it isn't. The working Time Directive states that a manager can tell you when to take your break.
Given that we have collective bargaining the timing (and split) of the break should be negotiated between management and the members of the union.
Then that is when your break is.
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Years ago we had a duty plan book p318 now we are as directed by manager BUT YOUR MEAL RELIEF is your time ideal time would be equidistant for at least half of your meal relief and the other half at the end if you so wish but we all know this is not possible BUT IT IS YOURS TO DECIDE NOT A MANAGERS WILL OR INSTRUCTION!
k979aaa wrote:Years ago we had a duty plan book p318 now we are as directed by manager BUT YOUR MEAL RELIEF is your time ideal time would be equidistant for at least half of your meal relief and the other half at the end if you so wish but we all know this is not possible BUT IT IS YOURS TO DECIDE NOT A MANAGERS WILL OR INSTRUCTION!
k979aaa wrote:Years ago we had a duty plan book p318 now we are as directed by manager BUT YOUR MEAL RELIEF is your time ideal time would be equidistant for at least half of your meal relief and the other half at the end if you so wish but we all know this is not possible BUT IT IS YOURS TO DECIDE NOT A MANAGERS WILL OR INSTRUCTION!
318s have always said "or as directed" on them
May well have done but the point is who knows if they have a meal relief how to take it and when how long it lasts on delivery these days you are fortunate in your ivory tower slinging your diatribe at the unfortunate peasants below you I for one pity them!
Burghboy wrote:We are made to take our break 13 minutes after we start time. 10 minutes after the full timers go on theirs so we both finish break at same time.
Personally I think this is the best option. You are entitled to breaks and if you don't take them RM just to push to give us more work. If breaks are not enforced most posties don't take them at all.
The views I express here are mine alone and do not represent the views of Royal Mail Group.
Burghboy wrote:We are made to take our break 13 minutes after we start time. 10 minutes after the full timers go on theirs so we both finish break at same time.
Personally I think this is the best option. You are entitled to breaks and if you don't take them RM just to push to give us more work. If breaks are not enforced most posties don't take them at all.
That's ridiculous - it might fit RM's plan and the FT'ers work schedule but it means you're going to be more fatigued later when you've
been working 5-6 hours without a break!!!!
As Clash points out we are a unionised business bound by collective bargaining which means it is not up to the individual when they take their break and neither is it up to the individual manager.
Breaks should be scheduled as part of the revision process subject to the relevant agreement which is still the way forward agreement and compliant with relevant legislation.
The revision process is subject to a vote by the members of that particular unit. Once agreed members should take their breaks in line with that agreed revision process.
Each unit will have a different revision so arguments about what happens in one unit or another are pointless.
worktotime wrote:they are telling you this because of the pda actuals , as the pda data on leaving the office says you have taken 20 mins or half of your meal break , so if your due out time due to data is saying your due out at 9.20am but your leaving the office at 9.00am then they see that as you are out earlyier than you should be , so 20 mins more work ? in there eyes . just take it we do everyday , load the van and sit down and a drink for 20 mins then halfway round delivery we take our other 20 mins which they can track on your pdas. there are plenty in our office that don't take any meal breaks at all and the dom doesn't tell them to either .
so, if part time and being tracked by pda actuals, i should therefore take 30 mins, all at once, during the halfway point/lunch; as per my contract...yes?
If when breaks are taken is not being enforced by the DOM or union rep then take your break how and when you want so for you either 30 minutes or two lots of 15 minutes so it is identifiable. The main thing is to actually take your break/s, because most posties don't. If you work through your break and finish on time you have done 30 minutes work for free. To be honest I'm as guilty as next guy on this one. Use it or lose it as they say.
Been put on leave cover for two weeks...worked out that the ft takes lapsing and when we get there, i take my break and he can do 'his' lapsing...i never get asked if i'm 'taking it', plus i don't agree with the extra absorption of 'someone else's work'. he really hates me taking my break but ditto - i really hate the ft effectively trying to push more work onto me the passenger, who has enough walking (thank you) to warrant the full 30 mins meal 'relief'.
world class male wrote:meal relief time is always a grey area in RM due to the different contracts people have,
say a f't-40min /p't-30min pairing, f't has 20 before leaving, p't only been in an hour if that and doesn't need a break yet, come midday the p't wants their break and f't doesn't, they want it on the back end like most do,
will the ft'er factor in an odd loop to do whilst other is having their break yet the pt'er will have been working indoor during their break.
also no where to scrub up to eat their own food or get an hot drink and doesn't want to spend £5 in a cafe everyday (if 1 nearby) thus p/t loses some of their break or just eats a sandwich in a scruffy van in between loops that probably has more germs in it than the toilet in my house,
and i'm also f't, i just know that as usual the pt'ers get a raw deal,
why doesn't the cwu campaign for their rights to "take your break" ? they spent £1000s on silly mugs and lanyards but don't come up with an idea of the logistics to balance it out, RM know that most end up working their breaks so they're laughing
Been put on leave cover for two weeks...worked out that the ft takes lapsing and when we get there, i take my break and he can do 'his' lapsing...i never get asked if i'm 'taking it', plus i don't agree with the extra absorption of 'someone else's work'. he really hates me taking my break but ditto - i really hate the ft effectively trying to push more work onto me the passenger, who has enough walking (thank you) to warrant the full 30 mins meal 'relief'.
yet the pt'er will have been working indoor during their break.