Report from the London Divisional Reps meeting and their take on Royal Mail's capital markets day announcement.

Post by **Navalron** » 30 May 2019, 19:45

How can it be a 60% call rate of you deliver 20% of your :households: daily. By doing the job properly yous can beat them at their own game. TFI ive left but feel for a lot of my mates still in the job and most are 25 year plus men and HATE it now.

clashcityrocker · Post by **clashcityrocker** » 31 May 2019, 05:39

Navalron wrote:How can it be a 60% call rate of you deliver 20% of your :households: daily. By doing the job properly yous can beat them at their own game. TFI ive left but feel for a lot of my mates still in the job and most are 25 year plus men and HATE it now.

Why can't it be a 60% call rate if you deliver 20% of your households daily?

Post by **SpacePhoenix** » 31 May 2019, 07:10

Any official confirmation yet as to if it's going to be ALL Tracked (no matter what size) that'll be going to the LAT hubs, bypassing inward MCs and DOs??????

Gasman11 · Post by **Gasman11** » 31 May 2019, 09:06

The tracked parcel question, large only or all, has been posed a few times and no answer as yet. Martin will hopefully uncover the answer soon enough, or perhaps RM themselves haven't thought this through properly?

Telephone · Post by **Telephone** » 31 May 2019, 11:08

Capital Markets Day announcement date.
Postby Martin Walsh » 21 May 2019, 08:34
Tracked are not included in the parcel separation strategy.

Post by **SpacePhoenix** » 04 Jun 2019, 09:58

Telephone wrote:Capital Markets Day announcement date.
Postby Martin Walsh » 21 May 2019, 08:34
Tracked are not included in the parcel separation strategy.

Going on what we saw on RMTV it appears that it'll be all normal parcels over shoebox size, Next Day (do they mean SDs by that) and all Tracked (no mention of any given sizes so I'm assuming they mean all sizes)

Woody Guthrie · Post by **Woody Guthrie** » 04 Jun 2019, 10:29

Next Day (do they mean SDs by that) and all Tracked (no mention of any given sizes so I'm assuming they mean all sizes)

I took it a different way.
To me it seemed like they meant next day tracked which could be interpreted as just LAT or all Tracked 24 items. It can't be SD as those are guaranteed 1 pm delivery which doesn't fit the model.
The message is very confusing though.

postslippete · Post by **postslippete** » 04 Jun 2019, 17:53

So Parcelforce deliver roughly 12 parcels an hour but Royal Mail somehow wants its drivers to deliver 18 parcels an hour. What happens if a driver finds that they can only deliver a dozen parcels an hour? Does the driver then bring the rest of those parcels back undelivered or will they be claiming loads of overtime instead?Alternatively, what happens if there are only 72 parcels to deliver for the day? Does that mean that Royal Mail are only willing to pay the driver 4 hours of work?

With the CWU proposed reduction of the working week, where is the scope for extending duty spans?? Even if the larger packets get sorted at the parcel hubs for immediate delivery we will still need packet sorters in delivery centres because its sorting through the smaller packets that really eats up the time to sort indoors. Seems to me the company is trying to find all sorts of ways to try and reduce the number of posties and the only thing that they can come up, is the same one that they have done over the years, and that is to increase the duty spans. This plan probably means that its either the big delivery driver or the walking postie that is going to sha*ted. Adding another 20% of calls because the mail's down doesn't work when you occasionally have a bulk mailing and are suddenly expected to deliver to every house....there will be cut-offs galore.

citypostie · Post by **citypostie** » 04 Jun 2019, 19:11

I think if royal mail gets what it wants, you will get the parcels to deliver based on 18 an hour so enough to fill your hours, if you can't get them done in time it'll be your problem because your too slow. Same thing when they start allocating deliveries based on the data, no overtime if you don't get done on time because your too slow. Look at Amazon and how they time everything, that will be royal mail soon. If you take 50 minutes on a 40 minute loop you will be told your below the standard and that they have timings from the data to back it up including the fact you only had 2 attendance calls blah blah blah etc.

30+YEARMAN · Post by **30+YEARMAN** » 05 Jun 2019, 17:46

I think what will happen is all the large parcels the drivers can,t deliver in the afternoon because they haven,t got time etc will end up back on the van share deliveries the next day , even though they will have 200 more houses on their walks.Its all part of their plan.

Danelectro · Post by **Danelectro** » 05 Jun 2019, 17:53

clashcityrocker wrote:
Navalron wrote:How can it be a 60% call rate of you deliver 20% of your :households: daily. By doing the job properly yous can beat them at their own game. TFI ive left but feel for a lot of my mates still in the job and most are 25 year plus men and HATE it now.
Why can't it be a 60% call rate if you deliver 20% of your households daily?

D2D acoount for 100% of one sixth of delivery points per day.
It means the call rate would have to drop to 43% (approx) over the remaing five sixths of delivery points for an overall call rate of 60% or am I on acid or something.

clashcityrocker · Post by **clashcityrocker** » 05 Jun 2019, 19:23

Your maths is pretty spot on.
If you do 1/6th of your D2D then on the other 5/6ths of the duty you need to drop to about 50% (every other delivery point) to end up with about an overall call rate of 60%.
If you factor in the call rate being well below that on Monday and Tuesday then that isn't far off in my experience.

gary1975 · Post by **gary1975** » 05 Jun 2019, 20:10

30+YEARMAN wrote:I think what will happen is all the large parcels the drivers can,t deliver in the afternoon because they haven,t got time etc will end up back on the van share deliveries the next day , even though they will have 200 more houses on their walks.Its all part of their plan.

How can they?,they would still be classed as oversized and wouldn't enter the DO

Post by **SpacePhoenix** » 05 Jun 2019, 20:27

gary1975 wrote:
30+YEARMAN wrote:I think what will happen is all the large parcels the drivers can,t deliver in the afternoon because they haven,t got time etc will end up back on the van share deliveries the next day , even though they will have 200 more houses on their walks.Its all part of their plan.
How can they?,they would still be classed as oversized and wouldn't enter the DO

AFAIK any LAT items that can't get delivered get sent back to the MC and then get sent out to the normal DO the next day so I'm guessing it'll be the same for all the large parcels. If we get that happen with a lot of large parcels then I don't think it'll be too long before they abandon the idea of having LAT hubs do them and just send them all out to normal DOs again

Celgar · Post by **Celgar** » 05 Jun 2019, 23:57

SpacePhoenix wrote:
gary1975 wrote:
30+YEARMAN wrote:I think what will happen is all the large parcels the drivers can,t deliver in the afternoon because they haven,t got time etc will end up back on the van share deliveries the next day , even though they will have 200 more houses on their walks.Its all part of their plan.
How can they?,they would still be classed as oversized and wouldn't enter the DO
AFAIK any LAT items that can't get delivered get sent back to the MC and then get sent out to the normal DO the next day so I'm guessing it'll be the same for all the large parcels. If we get that happen with a lot of large parcels then I don't think it'll be too long before they abandon the idea of having LAT hubs do them and just send them all out to normal DOs again

I would say the large parcels proposal has to be trialled just like any other proposal on a number of different sites to check that it is possible or feasible to achieve. If RM want to divert large parcels to LAT hubs to make time then fill that time with additional delivery points from closing one in six walks then it would not be possible to bring large parcels back to DOs for second delivery attempts. As I have written elsewhere the more we dissect their new parcel proposal the less likely it appears possible to achieve.
The financial press, who may or not have an agenda of their own, are currently tearing RMs business plan to shreds saying that previous billion pounds spends into infrastructure have not improved the business or increased profit and that the current proposal will not either. I think it boils down to RM collating inaccurate and averaged statistics then forcing a 'one size fits all' approach to changes that continually fails. There are just too many variables for them to comprehend.