Rumour mill-van share not cost effective

[themailman]

as long as we work 35 hours per week, what's the problem

on my office the rounds are not getting any smaller, people (idiots) are just coming in earlier to try and get done on time. They hate to cut off and feel stressed about having another hour off.

The thing I really don't get about the staff that start early and work through their break to complete their duty... why not just work extended and book the OT ???

because they're absolutely thick

because they need to finish on time and cant be arsed to have a dust up with management about cutting off, therefore its easier to come in earlier unpaid to make sure you complete and go home on time.Its got nothing to do with being unintelligent.

If you don't mind me asking - I'm guessing you are part time? Is it a combination of indoor work and size of duty that is causing you not be able to complete in time? Or is it solely outdoor?
The reason I ask, is because if you are part time and start work at your contracted start time, your duty should be pretty much ready for you to tie and and load van when you arrive. If it isn't - it shouldn't be your problem.

[leolion855]

as long as we work 35 hours per week, what's the problem

on my office the rounds are not getting any smaller, people (idiots) are just coming in earlier to try and get done on time. They hate to cut off and feel stressed about having another hour off.

The thing I really don't get about the staff that start early and work through their break to complete their duty... why not just work extended and book the OT ???

because they're absolutely thick

because they need to finish on time and cant be arsed to have a dust up with management about cutting off, therefore its easier to come in earlier unpaid to make sure you complete and go home on time.Its got nothing to do with being unintelligent.

If you don't mind me asking - I'm guessing you are part time? Is it a combination of indoor work and size of duty that is causing you not be able to complete in time? Or is it solely outdoor?
The reason I ask, is because if you are part time and start work at your contracted start time, your duty should be pretty much ready for you to tie and and load van when you arrive. If it isn't - it shouldn't be your problem.

part time but due to staffing shortages i go in to prep anyone of the jobs in the office that i may or may not know, and as the fittings are not in the same order as the mech some can be challenging.For an easy life its better to go in unpaid and complete on time rather than have the argument of cutting off.

[themailman]

as long as we work 35 hours per week, what's the problem

on my office the rounds are not getting any smaller, people (idiots) are just coming in earlier to try and get done on time. They hate to cut off and feel stressed about having another hour off.

The thing I really don't get about the staff that start early and work through their break to complete their duty... why not just work extended and book the OT ???

because they're absolutely thick

because they need to finish on time and cant be arsed to have a dust up with management about cutting off, therefore its easier to come in earlier unpaid to make sure you complete and go home on time.Its got nothing to do with being unintelligent.

If you don't mind me asking - I'm guessing you are part time? Is it a combination of indoor work and size of duty that is causing you not be able to complete in time? Or is it solely outdoor?
The reason I ask, is because if you are part time and start work at your contracted start time, your duty should be pretty much ready for you to tie and and load van when you arrive. If it isn't - it shouldn't be your problem.

part time but due to staffing shortages i go in to prep anyone of the jobs in the office that i may or may not know, and as the fittings are not in the same order as the mech some can be challenging.For an easy life its better to go in unpaid and complete on time rather than have the argument of cutting off.

unpaid?

[SpacePhoenix]

and as the fittings are not in the same order as the mech some can be challenging.For an easy life its better to go in unpaid and complete on time rather than have the argument of cutting off.

The A+ must be wrong, that's what's used when the sort plans are being written for IMPs, iLSMs and CSS machines (no idea if T2K machines are used to sort flats to walk level or to sequence flats)

[Celgar]

The trays of sequenced mech letters should always match the order of the walk frames. You need to chase this up with your DOM/union rep if this is not the case.

[Postie45]

I think park and loop probably is the most efficient way to deliver especially with the amount of packages we deal with nowadays.
I think RM will make some good savings once they track the PDA actuals and see how long its actually taking people to do their loops.

[postslippete]

Sadly, I also think park and loop is here to stay. I think it is costing the business quite a bit in terms of increased van numbers, petrol, tax etc and so the future points towards reducing the number of vans and expanding the routes. I'm sure this was the main thinking behind the 1 in 6 as explained on another thread.

[zz666]

Van share is a flawed concept. There are two main disadvantages: it takes longer to deliver a packet than it does a letter, and you are only as quick as the slowest person.

[norris9]

Van share is a flawed concept. There are two main disadvantages: it takes longer to deliver a packet than it does a letter, and you are only as quick as the slowest person.

I am not sure it's flawed. It seems the most logical way of doing things off the top of my head...

If you want to make the whole sorting/delivery process more efficient - I am sure there are ways...

1. I don't get why frames are not set up in order. You have got to bundle this bit from here, that bit from there, this bit from over here, this bit backwards, give this chunk to your partner etc.... Can someone set the frames up so that you can just go in chronological order. Loop 1, Loop 2, Loop 3, Loop 4, Loop 5, Loop 6, Loop 7.

2. Putting Posties who are of a similar speed together.

3. Making loops more equal. I feel some loops on walks I have done are not equal.

4. Leaflets slow you down a fair bit, but I guess there isn't much you can do about it. They slow you down when bagging up when you're trying to avoid picking the houses with leaflets but no letters. They make bags much heavier, they make the bundles you are holding during the round slide about as the leaflets are silky smooth, they don't fit through the letterboxes very easily, often getting ripped to shreds in small or sharp letterboxes.

5. Could you implement a system where a customer can print off a scannable barcode from the RM website, stick it to their door, and when Royal Mail come to delivery anything that needs a signature - the Postie can scan that barcode and that can be seen as an acceptance/signature? then the item can either be left in a safe place or put through the letter box.

6. Make a push for larger letterboxes, landscape not portrait, placed in the centre of doors. I think some of these changes have been pushed somewhat.

[SpacePhoenix]

1. I don't get why frames are not set up in order. You have got to bundle this bit from here, that bit from there, this bit from over here, this bit backwards, give this chunk to your partner etc.... Can someone set the frames up so that you can just go in chronological order. Loop 1, Loop 2, Loop 3, Loop 4, Loop 5, Loop 6, Loop 7.

Probably because if hey done that, every time a loop changed the whole frame would need to be redone. By keeping the frame in street order, the only time changes need to be made is when a delivery point is removed (generally if the building is demolished or buildings knocked through to form larger buildings/flats) and when new delivery points are added (a new building is built or an existing one is divided up)

3. Making loops more equal. I feel some loops on walks I have done are not equal.

Might be where some loops are "walkers" loops who don't do the large and SDs and some are the "drivers" loops who have to do the large and SDs so time has to be allowed for that

5. Could you implement a system where a customer can print off a scannable barcode from the RM website, stick it to their door, and when Royal Mail come to delivery anything that needs a signature - the Postie can scan that barcode and that can be seen as an acceptance/signature? then the item can either be left in a safe place or put through the letter box.

That one's a little iffy, senders might not accept that as proof of delivery

[norris9]

That one's a little iffy, senders might not accept that as proof of delivery

I guess with some things the sender would not be happy with it, like if it was something sentimental or a gift. A retailer probably wouldn't mind it - as it's their customer taking the risk.

[joewyan]

1. I don't get why frames are not set up in order. You have got to bundle this bit from here, that bit from there, this bit from over here, this bit backwards, give this chunk to your partner etc.... Can someone set the frames up so that you can just go in chronological order. Loop 1, Loop 2, Loop 3, Loop 4, Loop 5, Loop 6, Loop 7.

2. Putting Posties who are of a similar speed together.

3. Making loops more equal. I feel some loops on walks I have done are not equal.

4. Leaflets slow you down a fair bit, but I guess there isn't much you can do about it. They slow you down when bagging up when you're trying to avoid picking the houses with leaflets but no letters. They make bags much heavier, they make the bundles you are holding during the round slide about as the leaflets are silky smooth, they don't fit through the letterboxes very easily, often getting ripped to shreds in small or sharp letterboxes.

5. Could you implement a system where a customer can print off a scannable barcode from the RM website, stick it to their door, and when Royal Mail come to delivery anything that needs a signature - the Postie can scan that barcode and that can be seen as an acceptance/signature? then the item can either be left in a safe place or put through the letter box.

6. Make a push for larger letterboxes, landscape not portrait, placed in the centre of doors. I think some of these changes have been pushed somewhat.

1. Frames should be set up in order with defined loops for the driver and the non driver. If they aren’t then it’s either down to the postman on the duty or the manager for not ensuring it is updated.

2. It’s not always easy to know what speed someone is. At the end of the day there is a finish time and if you can’t complete you can either agree overtime or cut off.

3. Some loops on van shares shouldn’t be equal as time will be allocated for the driver to do oversize parcels during some loops.

4. Nothing you can do about leaflets although in our office you prep and take all for that day so nothing is left in the frame.

5. That service is in place, it’s the tracked service. Some of our customers (the sender) want a signature to confirm delivery to a person not a scan of a barcode outside of the property which provides no evidence the item entered the property.

6. Legislation is in place for banned low level boxes, it will never be applied to existing homes though so that’s something we have to live with.

[SpacePhoenix]

6. Legislation is in place for banned low level boxes, it will never be applied to existing homes though so that’s something we have to live with.

Have they already been banned? I thought the legislation was still going through parliament

[joewyan]

6. Legislation is in place for banned low level boxes, it will never be applied to existing homes though so that’s something we have to live with.

Have they already been banned? I thought the legislation was still going through parliament

Yes sorry I meant still going through parliament.

[Celgar]

6. Legislation is in place for banned low level boxes, it will never be applied to existing homes though so that’s something we have to live with.

Have they already been banned? I thought the legislation was still going through parliament

As far as I know it's still in the process of being discussed etc. Last report we had was it was being looked upon favourably as a good idea. Low level letterboxes are banned in Ireland I think so there is no real reason for other countries to not have the same legislation.