A very important #FourPillars update from DGSP Terry Pullinger

[Celgar]

What are the bare bones of what Terry is saying in this video please? I'm not sure I can stand viewing another one of his videos.

[leolion855]

What are the bare bones of what Terry is saying in this video please? I'm not sure I can stand viewing another one of his videos.

All the rumours that are around are bullshit, the unions not been asked and ricos only just started to talk to him.

[aiden01]

What are the bare bones of what Terry is saying in this video please? I'm not sure I can stand viewing another one of his videos.

Actually one of his better ones

[Celgar]

I have just watched this video and it probably is his best video so far but it does raise a number of questions.
1.) Terry states we are currently waiting for the second hour of SWW to be implemented but this is incorrect. We started off at 40 hours and are currently paid for 38 hours so we have already had two hours of SWW implemented. The third hour which would take us down to 37 hours is planned to be negotiated for October 2019.
2.) I don't think anyone can really argue or push for being paid for working 38 hours a week but not working all that time. For example if a person was paid to work in a supermarket for eight hours they would expect to be working all that time.
3.) Terry talks about rumours being spread about any changes and that they are incorrect and without any basis in fact and that the union has not been informed. These statements are all false. Dingo is the source of most news we receive on this forum and usually what he says can be trusted. A link was provided by Dingo to a letter sent from RM to the CWU at the end of January 2019 explaining the proposal to move class 3 & 4 parcels onto the LATs. Further details of the proposal including the potential 8000 job losses and 20% increases to remaining walk route lengths were attached to the linked letter. Therefore Terry must have knowledge of this proposal yet he brushes it off as just a rumour. Dingo also mentioned a three part WTLL briefing entitled something like 'Understanding the Future' which starts to explain the possible changes to our jobs. The first part of this briefing was given to us a couple of weeks ago.
If there are indeed three more options in addition to the above one on parcels then maybe Terry should tell us about them and not leave us in the dark.
The latest post from Dingo informs us that Rico Black has moved two senior directors to the posts of separating parcels & transforming parcels. I think he also states that offices in London are raising an official objection to the current proposal which will be discussed at a meeting before the end of this month.
4.) I agree the issue of posties coming into work maybe up to an hour before duty time begins needs to be sorted. It may be that if this work isn't done before duty time it has to be done after duty time ends. Certainly if work is completed before duty time then RM is not paying for that work to be done. What we really need is for the AHDC equipment to be fitted into offices but from what I hear it doesn't record the data properly especially where walk frames are close together.
No offence intended but Terry needs to stop keeping us in the dark like he did during the last pay negotiations and maybe ask us what we would like to see and act on that rather than what they think is best for us. The UK parliament is soon going to realise pushing for what the people don't want will result in them losing their seats. The union might see something like this happening to them.

[SpacePhoenix]

1.) Terry states we are currently waiting for the second hour of SWW to be implemented but this is incorrect. We started off at 40 hours and are currently paid for 38 hours so we have already had two hours of SWW implemented. The third hour which would take us down to 37 hours is planned to be negotiated for October 2019.

I'll be surprised if it happens in DOs given how short staff some DOs appear to be

3.) Terry talks about rumours being spread about any changes and that they are incorrect and without any basis in fact and that the union has not been informed. These statements are all false. Dingo is the source of most news we receive on this forum and usually what he says can be trusted. A link was provided by Dingo to a letter sent from RM to the CWU at the end of January 2019 explaining the proposal to move class 3 & 4 parcels onto the LATs.

What are class 3 and class 4 parcels? Never heard any parcels being referred to like that

[rogersh]

I have just watched this video and it probably is his best video so far but it does raise a number of questions.
1.) Terry states we are currently waiting for the second hour of SWW to be implemented but this is incorrect. We started off at 40 hours and are currently paid for 38 hours so we have already had two hours of SWW implemented. The third hour which would take us down to 37 hours is planned to be negotiated for October 2019.

39 hours were the starting point related to The Four Pillars Agreement. Edited extract;

12. Pay [....]
A reduction in the working week of one hour from October 2018, subject to:
A) Delivery of trials and an implementation plan informed by the outcomes of those trials for both Delivery methods and Resource scheduler (including hours capture) without pre-conceived outcomes.
B) Deployment of the last letter time of 15:30 (16:30 rural), as part of the implementation of a solution for the LAT products as detailed in section 15.
• In order to deliver an hour reduction for all grades in 2018, the functional leads from both Royal Mail and CWU will meet and plan for implementation from
October 2018.

• A further reduction of 1 hour in the working week to be introduced from the 1st October 2019, the funding formula for the hour will include a joint evaluation of inflation as of the 1st April 2019, any implementation of changes from the trials, in sections 14 and 15 of this agreement, on-going efficiency, and other operational and technological changes). The shorter working week forum will review progress for plans to achieve the above objectives, ensuring they are on track and put corrective actions in place where not.
• The next pay review date will be 1st April 2020.

13. Shorter Working Week
The first hour is proposed as part of the current pay deal for October 2018 (outlined in pay section above with further detail in the functional sections below), based on achievement of the detailed enablers.
A further hour will be linked to the 2019 pay review as detailed in the pay section of this agreement.[....]

Also from the frontline Managers briefing pack;
2. PAY AND SHORTER WORKING WEEK***
“ We value your hard work. Have agreed a good deal and will work towards CWU’s objective of shorter working week.”

From October 2017 – March 2019, a pay increase of 5%, including base pay, overtime and allowances.
From 1 April 2019, a pay increase of 2%, including base pay, overtime and allowances. Next pay review in April 2020.
From October 2018, a one-hour reduction to the working week (currently 39 hours). This is subject to: the deployment of the new last letter delivery time; and the completion of specific trials in the operation to help improve customer service and productivity. These include delivery methods and automated hours data capture.
From October 2019, a further one-hour reduction to the working week, subject to a joint evaluation of factors including ongoing efficiency, implementation of changes from trials in the operation and technological changes.
A commitment to move towards a 35-hour week by 2022.

[citypostie]

so will this mean that dims will be FORCED into stopping posties coming in early unless they are paid for it ? , and with they also be FORCED into using pda actuals to even deliverys ? , as we all know that if they don't benefit from summat they don't use it . its nice to see that the cwu haven't just forgot about all this and telling our new leader the same

How do they use PDA actuals to balance deliveries? Genuine question because 20 people could do the same delivery with exactly the same workload and finish and totally different times? Do they just work out an average finish time from the data for all rounds with no regard to who's been doing them? If so some big rounds with quick postie's on them will end up being monsters and some small with slower on will end up still being easy. How would that balance them out?
And after it's all done and the repicks finished, people ending up lumbered with balanced out but still bigger than the rest duties will start the cycle of wanting them balanced all over again. After our last revision our office of about 100 deliveries are all within about 30 minutes of each other if the same pairing did them all but PDA data will no doubt show some massive differences

[Celgar]

1.) Terry states we are currently waiting for the second hour of SWW to be implemented but this is incorrect. We started off at 40 hours and are currently paid for 38 hours so we have already had two hours of SWW implemented. The third hour which would take us down to 37 hours is planned to be negotiated for October 2019.

I'll be surprised if it happens in DOs given how short staff some DOs appear to be

3.) Terry talks about rumours being spread about any changes and that they are incorrect and without any basis in fact and that the union has not been informed. These statements are all false. Dingo is the source of most news we receive on this forum and usually what he says can be trusted. A link was provided by Dingo to a letter sent from RM to the CWU at the end of January 2019 explaining the proposal to move class 3 & 4 parcels onto the LATs.

What are class 3 and class 4 parcels? Never heard any parcels being referred to like that

Our DOM seems to know what class 3 & 4 parcels are so they must be some kind of RM classification. Sounds like the idea was anything larger than a shoebox would not arrive at DOs as they do now but be diverted to the LAT hubs. As always we are in the dark, the union is telling us very little officially, and the media will be told everything before we hear anything.

[SpacePhoenix]

1.) Terry states we are currently waiting for the second hour of SWW to be implemented but this is incorrect. We started off at 40 hours and are currently paid for 38 hours so we have already had two hours of SWW implemented. The third hour which would take us down to 37 hours is planned to be negotiated for October 2019.

I'll be surprised if it happens in DOs given how short staff some DOs appear to be

3.) Terry talks about rumours being spread about any changes and that they are incorrect and without any basis in fact and that the union has not been informed. These statements are all false. Dingo is the source of most news we receive on this forum and usually what he says can be trusted. A link was provided by Dingo to a letter sent from RM to the CWU at the end of January 2019 explaining the proposal to move class 3 & 4 parcels onto the LATs.

What are class 3 and class 4 parcels? Never heard any parcels being referred to like that

Our DOM seems to know what class 3 & 4 parcels are so they must be some kind of RM classification. Sounds like the idea was anything larger than a shoebox would not arrive at DOs as they do now but be diverted to the LAT hubs. As always we are in the dark, the union is telling us very little officially, and the media will be told everything before we hear anything.

Not going to work unless the all parcels get properly segregated into large and small at the outward office (either an MC or RDC) and stay separated. Some LAT stuff comes in early enough to go out with the normal dispatches, the rest afaik comes in too late every day and fails

[Martin Walsh]

The stark reality is that Royal Mail under Reco have used the Mckinseys consultants to review postal matters.

This has led to Royal Mail proposing that they want to engage the union in the following :

Parcel Separation which means parcels formatted at 3 & 4 would be concentrated on to circa 300 offices ie those who currently have LAT duties.

They would be sent to those circa 300 LAT units from 3 Parcel Hubs one in Warrington and one in Midlands and one in the South

The priority is for these larger parcels to be automated from just 3 parcel hubs meaning they by pass the inward mail centre

They want to increase productivity across the UK by introducing standards

They want to ensure all hours are paid by the use of PDAs, Resourcing , Automated hours data capture , Resource scheduler and by enhance flexibility

Ensure that attendance patterns allign to workload

This has all been outline to our National Officers and this is why there is an emergency motion being submitted by the Postal Executive covering some of the above.

The proposals are game changing and when you add this to the decision by of com to bring forward the review into the USO from 2022 to 2020 than there is a pattern forming ahead of Royal Mail"s capital markets day next month.

[leolion855]

The stark reality is that Royal Mail under Reco have used the Mckinseys consultants to review postal matters.

This has led to Royal Mail proposing that they want to engage the union in the following :

Parcel Separation which means parcels formatted at 3 & 4 would be concentrated on to circa 300 offices ie those who currently have LAT duties.

They would be sent to those circa 300 LAT units from 3 Parcel Hubs one in Warrington and one in Midlands and one in the South

The priority is for these larger parcels to be automated from just 3 parcel hubs meaning they by pass the inward mail centre

They want to increase productivity across the UK by introducing standards

They want to ensure all hours are paid by the use of PDAs, Resourcing , Automated hours data capture , Resource scheduler and by enhance flexibility

Ensure that attendance patterns allign to workload

This has all been outline to our National Officers and this is why there is an emergency motion being submitted by the Postal Executive covering some of the above.

The proposals are game changing and when you add this to the decision by of com to bring forward the review into the USO from 2022 to 2020 than there is a pattern forming ahead of Royal Mail"s capital markets day next month.

Are we going to see do closing /merging dingo?

[zz666]

What would the timescale of all these changes to parcels/deliveries? 2019? 2020?

[SpacePhoenix]

The stark reality is that Royal Mail under Reco have used the Mckinseys consultants to review postal matters.

This has led to Royal Mail proposing that they want to engage the union in the following :

Parcel Separation which means parcels formatted at 3 & 4 would be concentrated on to circa 300 offices ie those who currently have LAT duties.

They would be sent to those circa 300 LAT units from 3 Parcel Hubs one in Warrington and one in Midlands and one in the South

The priority is for these larger parcels to be automated from just 3 parcel hubs meaning they by pass the inward mail centre

They want to increase productivity across the UK by introducing standards

They want to ensure all hours are paid by the use of PDAs, Resourcing , Automated hours data capture , Resource scheduler and by enhance flexibility

Ensure that attendance patterns allign to workload

This has all been outline to our National Officers and this is why there is an emergency motion being submitted by the Postal Executive covering some of the above.

The proposals are game changing and when you add this to the decision by of com to bring forward the review into the USO from 2022 to 2020 than there is a pattern forming ahead of Royal Mail"s capital markets day next month.

@dingo, what the hell are "format 3 and 4" parcels?

Will the outward MCs be properly segging the parcels so that there's no yorks or sleeves with a mix of large and small (very common now to get yorks with mainly smalls and sleeves with mainly large)? Will Tracked and normal parcels be properly segregated? Also will the outward MCs make sure that ALL the SDs goto their SD locker?

[citypostie]

Increase productivity by introducing standards. So you'd better be walking quick enough because they will use the pdas to measure how fast your working against the performance standards. We better all start training now because I bet the outdoor standard will be a brisk walking pace!

[Celgar]

What is the reasoning behind Terry Pullinger being in complete denial as to the possibility of this new method of delivering large parcels being introduced in the not too distant future?