New full time contracts

[The Postman]

OK. Thanks for the replies chaps.
So in October, if the full-timers go onto a 37 hr week, would i (being on a 35 hr contract) get a rise in my hourly rate to compensate?

Yes. In fact we all get an increase in the hourly rate, even FTs

As I've said before though, pt still get their I creased rate when on leave, full time don't.

Yes, they do. They get the same rate whether they’re at work or not. Same as the part timers.

When I'm on holiday, I get paid same amount as I did before sww. When someone on 32hrs is on holiday, they get paid more than they did before sww! How can you not get it?

Because you work 38 hours now, not 39. Someone who worked 32 before still works 32 hours now! How can you not get it?

[rogersh]

OK. Thanks for the replies chaps.
So in October, if the full-timers go onto a 37 hr week, would i (being on a 35 hr contract) get a rise in my hourly rate to compensate?

Yes. In fact we all get an increase in the hourly rate, even FTs

As I've said before though, pt still get their I creased rate when on leave, full time don't.

Yes, they do. They get the same rate whether they’re at work or not. Same as the part timers.

When I'm on holiday, I get paid same amount as I did before sww. When someone on 32hrs is on holiday, they get paid more than they did before sww! How can you not get it?

Because you work 38 hours now, not 39. Someone who worked 32 before still works 32 hours now! How can you not get it?

The Postman . Exactly right.

[TrueBlueTerrier]

The confusion for some is because of a misunderstanding between rates and take home pay.

For Everyone, the rates have changed.

For PTimers the take-home pay has increased, for FTs it has remained the same despite an hour less in contracted hours.

[rambo1]

The confusion for some is because of a misunderstanding between rates and take home pay.

For Everyone, the rates have changed.

For PTimers the take-home pay has increased, for FTs it has remained the same despite an hour less in contracted hours.

Thanks for trying to explain it. It's not rocket science. I don't 'work' a 38 hr week when I'm on annual leave, therefore don't get the advantage of that. The part timer on 32 hrs gets their enhanced pay ( in lieu of not having an hr less to work when they are at work) , even if on annual leave.
Honesty, jusy how can I explain it any more clearly?? If they got paid the same as they used to before sww when on a/l then that would be the same as a full timer, but as far as I'm aware, they don't.

[Biker Mouse]

The confusion for some is because of a misunderstanding between rates and take home pay.

For Everyone, the rates have changed.

For PTimers the take-home pay has increased, for FTs it has remained the same despite an hour less in contracted hours.

Thanks for trying to explain it. It's not rocket science. I don't 'work' a 38 hr week when I'm on annual leave, therefore don't get the advantage of that. The part timer on 32 hrs gets their enhanced pay ( in lieu of not having an hr less to work when they are at work) , even if on annual leave.
Honesty, jusy how can I explain it any more clearly?? If they got paid the same as they used to before sww when on a/l then that would be the same as a full timer, but as far as I'm aware, they don't.

You may not work 38 hrs on holiday but you get paid 38hrs holiday pay.

[neilgg]

Isn't annual leave in this instance a red herring. Full timers now only work 38 hours instead of 39 without a pay reduction so their hourly rate increases accordingly. Part timers benefit from the same hourly rate as full timers as they can't be discriminated against. They take home a bit more than previously. Not sure what annual leave has to do with it?

[The Postman]

The confusion for some is because of a misunderstanding between rates and take home pay.

For Everyone, the rates have changed.

For PTimers the take-home pay has increased, for FTs it has remained the same despite an hour less in contracted hours.

Thanks for trying to explain it. It's not rocket science. I don't 'work' a 38 hr week when I'm on annual leave, therefore don't get the advantage of that. The part timer on 32 hrs gets their enhanced pay ( in lieu of not having an hr less to work when they are at work) , even if on annual leave.
Honesty, jusy how can I explain it any more clearly?? If they got paid the same as they used to before sww when on a/l then that would be the same as a full timer, but as far as I'm aware, they don't.

You say you don’t work 38 hours when your on holiday, however someone on a 32 hour contract also doesn’t work 32 hours when on holiday. You both work 0 hours and get paid for the hours your contracted for, in your case 38 and in the part timers case 32. I do see where your coming from however your looking at it wrong, there wouldn’t have been a pay increase if there wasn’t an hours reduction for people working 39 hours, a better way of looking at it is that part timers have gained an hour due to the sww bringing the gap between ft and pt closer. Maybe then you won’t feel so hard done by. Unfortunately for RM you can’t pay 2 people in the same company different rates for doing the same job as it’s illegal, therefore they had no option but to raise the hourly rate for ft and pt staff.

[Chalky13]

Surely when on annual leave, you get the same amount of money paid to you as you do when you work a full 5 days??? That should be regardless of FT or PT?

[clashcityrocker]

When a full timer is on holiday s/he is on holiday for 7h 36 per day on average.
Someone on a 25 hour contract is only on holiday for 5 hours/day.
No wonder I am always tired.

[rogersh]

The confusion for some is because of a misunderstanding between rates and take home pay.

For Everyone, the rates have changed.

For PTimers the take-home pay has increased, for FTs it has remained the same despite an hour less in contracted hours.

TBT when you say the rates have changed for everyone you do mean the "hourly rate"
In the case of the 1 hour reduction the weekly "Pay Rate" remained the same.

[clashcityrocker]

When a full timer is on holiday s/he is on holiday for 7h 36 per day on average.
Someone on a 25 hour contract is only on holiday for 5 hours/day.
No wonder I am always tired.

I am on annual leave next week but I have 4 days outstanding.
If I add my 4 days to my annual leave next week does that mean I will be off 10 hours/day.
That sounds like a better holiday.

[Chalky13]

In on leave this week and I’ve received the same pay I always do.

Why is this topic being discussed ??