Royal Mails game changing parcel strategy : RM letter to Mark Baulch included

Ren Hoëk · Post by **Ren Hoëk** » 22 Feb 2019, 21:59

clashcityrocker wrote:
Ren Hoëk wrote: Dragging it out is doing the job correctly.
Doing the job properly is doing the job properly.
Dragging it out is dragging it out.

FFS semantics. They are accusing people of dragging it out when in reality they mean if they do the job properly...

clashcityrocker · Post by **clashcityrocker** » 23 Feb 2019, 05:35

Ren Hoëk wrote:
FFS semantics. They are accusing people of dragging it out when in reality they mean if they do the job properly...

Where exactly have "they" accused people doing the job properly of dragging it pout?

Post by **Sugar** » 23 Feb 2019, 14:56

Only read one page:

A similar idea was supposed to have been trialled in a number of DO's (DOM speaking) BUT it was anything that wouldn't fit through a letterbox that was going to a designated parcel driver and then the lapsed walk split between the rest.

Now that would make some sense but they (royal fail) seem to have changed the playing field and it's only what's above a shoebox that walkers don't take.

I see more bullying on the cards if this half baked idea comes in.

Post by **HTPostman** » 24 Feb 2019, 07:09

If it was a case of anything bigger than a standard letterbox is taken by a designated driver then yes I could understand the rumoured new system. But if it's literally a handful of parcels are taken off you and in return you're taking another few bags, well they won't be saving any time. Also what happens with oversized specials, I guess we'd still have to take them.

You know, one day I just wish management would ask us how to improve efficiency and cut out wasted time.

I've mentioned in another thread there's about 10mins a day wasted indoors for me because I don't know access codes, or the frame doesn't show where a bag should start and stop, or the guy who's round it is has taken the bags home so you have to search for more, or you don't know which d2ds have been taken because the sheet wasn't filled in and bob who was on it yesterday isn't in. Even things as simple as not having the walk number above some of the frames, so you're walking round in a 90 round depot with a tracked parcel missorted into your parcel york for walk 1122 and no one is sure where it is until Graham suggests he thinks it might be down the next aisle but can't be sure because they changed the aisle last week. Same with house names, the regular duty holder knows the guy at 22 King Street has changed the name to The Birches and all his male is address to that name now, so why not have a laminated A4 sheet of common 'anomalies' on eg The Birches=22 King St, Healthfast Ltd = The gym on Main Street. These are all easily sorted. All wasted time, 10mins a day soon adds up. That's nearly an hour a week, 40-45 hours a year wasted and that's just for one member of staff.

Post by **SpacePhoenix** » 24 Feb 2019, 08:33

HTPostman wrote:Same with house names, the regular duty holder knows the guy at 22 King Street has changed the name to The Birches and all his male is address to that name now, so why not have a laminated A4 sheet of common 'anomalies' on eg The Birches=22 King St, Healthfast Ltd = The gym on Main Street.

Probably never get the A+ updated with changes like that so would result in letters for places like that either going to the manual selection when an IMP/iLSM is running a batch breakdown plan or get set to manual when a batch is being sequenced

zipmeister · Post by **zipmeister** » 24 Feb 2019, 09:24

HTPostman wrote:If it was a case of anything bigger than a standard letterbox is taken by a designated driver then yes I could understand the rumoured new system. But if it's literally a handful of parcels are taken off you and in return you're taking another few bags, well they won't be saving any time. Also what happens with oversized specials, I guess we'd still have to take them.

You know, one day I just wish management would ask us how to improve efficiency and cut out wasted time.

I've mentioned in another thread there's about 10mins a day wasted indoors for me because I don't know access codes, or the frame doesn't show where a bag should start and stop, or the guy who's round it is has taken the bags home so you have to search for more, or you don't know which d2ds have been taken because the sheet wasn't filled in and bob who was on it yesterday isn't in. Even things as simple as not having the walk number above some of the frames, so you're walking round in a 90 round depot with a tracked parcel missorted into your parcel york for walk 1122 and no one is sure where it is until Graham suggests he thinks it might be down the next aisle but can't be sure because they changed the aisle last week. Same with house names, the regular duty holder knows the guy at 22 King Street has changed the name to The Birches and all his male is address to that name now, so why not have a laminated A4 sheet of common 'anomalies' on eg The Birches=22 King St, Healthfast Ltd = The gym on Main Street. These are all easily sorted. All wasted time, 10mins a day soon adds up. That's nearly an hour a week, 40-45 hours a year wasted and that's just for one member of staff.

It wont just be the time saved from the "handfull" of packets being taken off a walk, it will also be the time shown by the PDA outdoor actual data they have been collecting.

clashcityrocker · Post by **clashcityrocker** » 24 Feb 2019, 09:39

zipmeister wrote: It wont just be the time saved from the "handful" of packets being taken off a walk, it will also be the time shown by the PDA outdoor actual data they have been collecting.

Plus the time you aren't sorting them in the morning.

But what happens when someone has 4 half shoe box size packets?
I suppose if you are in a LAT hub they can be put out for a driver but otherwise?

zipmeister · Post by **zipmeister** » 24 Feb 2019, 10:46

I think they are seriously underestimating the number of large packets by going on inaccurate traffic figures from the mail centres . In my unit alone if you take all the over shoebox size packets out of the packet sleeves it would at least double the number of large packets.

zz666 · Post by **zz666** » 24 Feb 2019, 11:28

If they collapse 1 walk in 6, does this mean I will get a fifth of a duty and my driver gets another fifth of a duty. This would make an extra two fifths.

leolion855 · Post by **leolion855** » 24 Feb 2019, 11:29

so if this happens how do they decide which members of staff are being put on the dole que?

Post by **SpacePhoenix** » 24 Feb 2019, 11:40

zipmeister wrote:I think they are seriously underestimating the number of large packets by going on inaccurate traffic figures from the mail centres . In my unit alone if you take all the over shoebox size packets out of the packet sleeves it would at least double the number of large packets.

A very sizeable chunk of what MCs send to DOs as "small packets" are technically "large letters". Traffic data from MCs is only an average and afaik soon there won't be any part fills on the traffic data.

Some of the "large" packets that you get from MCs will be stuff that could slip through the gaps and fall out of yorks.

When we get sleeves or yorks through from other MCs, they're (particularly yorks) often a complete mix of large and small. Don't know off-hand what the max size limit is for packets that can go through the PSMs but whatever that is, in the long term will be the max size of packet that you'll get through in sleeves.

The only way that there'll ever be accurate traffic figures would be to have barcodes on EVERY packet and have EVERY packet scanned at the outward MC, inward MC and at the DO (and then again when delivery is attempted)

Acca Dacca · Post by **Acca Dacca** » 24 Feb 2019, 14:36

Woody Guthrie · Post by **Woody Guthrie** » 24 Feb 2019, 14:48

1 duty gets absorbed
Absorbed duty holder becomes LAT/parcel driver

That leaves 2 drivers and 3 non drivers

I don't imagine many offices have more than 5-10% non-drivers.
What happens to displaced duty holders is that they get the choice of any vacant duties until a resign is triggered although I think that the removal of 16% of deliveries from an office and changing the remaining duties by adding 20% will automatically trigger a repick.

What happens to surplus staff, the are offered VR or in the unlikely event that there is no appetite for VR the business would need to look at relocating.

I think what will happen to prepare for this is an embargo on recruitment. If you're 6 staff short to start with there's no need to offer VR. I would suggest reps start fighting for every position.

Acca Dacca · Post by **Acca Dacca** » 24 Feb 2019, 14:58

Woody Guthrie wrote:
1 duty gets absorbed
Absorbed duty holder becomes LAT/parcel driver

That leaves 2 drivers and 3 non drivers
I don't imagine many offices have more than 5-10% non-drivers.
.

Really? Bit shocked at that. My office is currently 30% non drivers but had no idea what the split is like in other units.

Post by **RobertT** » 24 Feb 2019, 15:40

Woody Guthrie wrote:What happens to surplus staff, the are offered VR or in the unlikely event that there is no appetite for VR the business would need to look at relocating.

Personally I would be keen on VR, but with many newer starts on short term contracts, I would assume they would be the easiest and cheapest to get rid of.