diesel nox emissions

[97gaz]

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[rockmanrock]

Electric vehicles aren't viable overall as more power stations would have to be built, renewable energy isn't reliable enough so the new power stations would likely have to be gas or coal

Renewable energy is reliable and viable .It's just not our governments policy to invest in it.

Except when it's dark or not windy.

just not our governments policy to invest in it

Successive governments have washed their hands of Energy production because they know that the truth would see them out of power. After working in the Power Engineering Industry for twenty years I've become a fan of renewables and electric vehicles but the fact is that without a reliable means of electricity storage we must keep a system capable of giving us a base load at short notice. That means keeping power stations online and available to power the country when it's overcast and calm.

We can barely manage to produce enough energy for ourselves at the moment with up to 50% of our gas and coal coming from places like Russia, Columbia, Norway and Europe.

If we stick 38 Million electric vehicles into the mix we will need scores more power stations or ramp up the amount of wind and solar farms by many magnitudes.

Electric vehicles may be emission free but is the means of charging them?

Obviously it will be a long term goal . Nobody saying replacing all vehicles overnight. But my point still is that , diesel is bad and I don't want to breathe in the NOX fumes in my workplace.

[rockmanrock]

You need a viable energy storage system before renewables can viably take over from non-renewables.

And there currently isn't one except Hydro. Pumping water up to a lake overnight and running turbines with the flow during the day. Very inefficient.

but there will be a storage system. Would be interesting if we invested in it .
https://cleantechnica.com/2018/03/04/no ... le-energy/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[97gaz]

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[Seymour Buts]

You need a viable energy storage system before renewables can viably take over from non-renewables.

And there currently isn't one except Hydro. Pumping water up to a lake overnight and running turbines with the flow during the day. Very inefficient.

but there will be a storage system. Would be interesting if we invested in it .
https://cleantechnica.com/2018/03/04/no ... le-energy/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I'm confident that it'll be decades before any useable battery storage will come about. We're not there yet. I don't think people can visualise what power comes out of your average power station. I have an idea as I helped build a lot of these generators during twenty years in the industry.

Let's take the battery of the Tesla Model S. I would guess it's as efficient as possible. At 85kwh it would take 23500 Tesla Model S batteries to equal the 2GW power output of Ratcliffe on Soar power station. And after an hour they would all be flat. At current Tesla battery prices 23500 batteries would set you back over £200 million.

Correct. The actual future is super efficient conbustion engines. Petrol engines inparticular have come on bundles in recent years. Politicians are currently wrapped up in the electric thing, like they were the Diesel thing (hahaha) not that long ago. There will be a time when all vehicles are electric (probably) but all of us posting on here currently will be long dead, so I really wouldn't worry too much about it.

[SpacePhoenix]

You need a viable energy storage system before renewables can viably take over from non-renewables.

And there currently isn't one except Hydro. Pumping water up to a lake overnight and running turbines with the flow during the day. Very inefficient.

but there will be a storage system. Would be interesting if we invested in it .
https://cleantechnica.com/2018/03/04/no ... le-energy/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I'm confident that it'll be decades before any useable battery storage will come about. We're not there yet. I don't think people can visualise what power comes out of your average power station. I have an idea as I helped build a lot of these generators during twenty years in the industry.

Let's take the battery of the Tesla Model S. I would guess it's as efficient as possible. At 85kwh it would take 23500 Tesla Model S batteries to equal the 2GW power output of Ratcliffe on Soar power station. And after an hour they would all be flat. At current Tesla battery prices 23500 batteries would set you back over £200 million. And weigh 12500 tons.

There's also the problem of if there would be enough lithium available for all these batteries

[silver_fox]

I am fuming ! This week I'm on a rural with a fiat van . The duty holder writes "nil" In the log book despite the vehicle not revving above 3000 and 3 warning lights being on (! In a triangle, an engine shape light and a spray light). So I signed the van off the road that day and the next morning a mechanic is in the yard with a mail tray wedged on the gas pedal revving the van for 15 minutes or more to supposedly clear a dpf filter. How is this allowed, no good for the environment surely? Also the fumes from these fiats is excessive and you can't use the back of the van if you leave it running. Today the poxy thing has lost power again and all the lights are back on. What a heap of she!t!!!

[CPTNemoUK]

I am fuming ! This week I'm on a rural with a fiat van . The duty holder writes "nil" In the log book despite the vehicle not revving above 3000 and 3 warning lights being on (! In a triangle, an engine shape light and a spray light). So I signed the van off the road that day and the next morning a mechanic is in the yard with a mail tray wedged on the gas pedal revving the van for 15 minutes or more to supposedly clear a dpf filter. How is this allowed, no good for the environment surely? Also the fumes from these fiats is excessive and you can't use the back of the van if you leave it running. Today the poxy thing has lost power again and all the lights are back on. What a heap of she!t!!!

We have one of them in our office. It is the worst van in history. About 2 years ago somebody crashed it and we was told it was a write off. Everyone was happy thinking we had got rid of it, a few weeks later it was back at the office

[97gaz]

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[Chalky13]

Presumably those complaining of fumes don’t smoke or drink either?

[fb1969]

We've got four of these and we clear them ourselves. Make sure they're up to running temperature (half way on the gauge), switch ignition on, hold down brake and accelerator and watch the messages on the dash. When it says to start engine take your feet off the pedals and start the engine. The engine will rev to 2000rpm for 9 minutes. They usually stink for a few minutes so we do it at the other side of the car park.


If the light on the dash has been ignored for ages the process above will not work and you have to get a mechanic in to reset it. These vans are notorious for losing power.

We've been doing this with our Fiats for a few years now. The only thing I would add to the above is to have the bonnet open while doing it. We usually find the dpf light comes on (like a small dart) then you have about 30 miles to do the above procedure, after that the engine management light comes on and it has to go to the workshop.

Meanwhile....................RM go on about driving in a way that gets at least 30mpg as the company are very concerned about reducing their environmental impact