diesel nox emissions

[wacko74]

I find the diesel fumes a real problem especially on the hot, humid days in summer, the fumes seem to get in the cab as your driving a lot more and even when the engine is turned off you're still breathing in the lingering exhaust fumes when you're constantly retrieving items from the back of the van.

[rockmanrock]

Electric vehicles aren't viable overall as more power stations would have to be built, renewable energy isn't reliable enough so the new power stations would likely have to be gas or coal

Renewable energy is reliable and viable .It's just not our governments policy to invest in it.

[rockmanrock]

Many cars don't get the right sort of use for passive regeneration to work so car manufacturers build in ‘active’ regeneration where the engine control software senses that the filter’s getting blocked and injects extra fuel into the engine to raise the exhaust temperature and trigger regeneration.

Active regeneration will be initiated every 300 miles or so depending on how you use your car and will take 5 to 10 minutes to complete.

That should be sufficient for any van.

Agree , but this regen is often happening in our depot - 5-10 mins of toxic fumes pumped out . Not good.

[rockmanrock]

Not sure of your point there. Initial costs of Electric vehicles may be high , but the low running costs will cancel out the short term costs of purchasing a fleet of polluting diesel vans.
ps - what about my main point of working in a toxic environment ?

How will they cancel out the costs? At three times the cost of the same diesal or petrol unit you'd never recoup the inicial outlay. That doesn't include the cost of installing charging points. They won't last as long either, the batteries on these things (the most expensive part) will last about five years (they estimate).

As for the envirmoment, how do you think truck drivers get on? Mot testers? You're stood in a yard for a minute or two with a few vans running, it's not a toxit enviroment. Anybody who works for biggest campanies with vehicles is in the same boat.

Trucks don't regen when stationary in a workplace , as they do in my office. Diesel trucks do long journeys where the regen process occurs ,usually on motorways , away from people. If I was a MOT tester , I'd have the same concerns.

[rockmanrock]

I find the diesel fumes a real problem especially on the hot, humid days in summer, the fumes seem to get in the cab as your driving a lot more and even when the engine is turned off you're still breathing in the lingering exhaust fumes when you're constantly retrieving items from the back of the van.

Agree - Diesel clearly has had it's day. Electric obviously the future. Royal Mail again playing catch up on trends.

[rockmanrock]

Not one van has been “regen” unless done so at our mechanic shop since I’ve been there. The DPF will regenerate automatically whilst being driven too, so if you drive the van for over 5 mins, which I assume everyone does, I really don’t see the issue here in regards breathing toxins in whilst at the depot or on duty.

In our office , there is often a van, or 2 regening - massive revs - loads of s**t out of exhaust as small , stop start journeys don't suit modern diesel engines. The smell is really bad , and I just wonder what this s**t is doing to our health. I mean , RM are big on health an safety , but silent on this issue.

[rockmanrock]

You're mistaken about electric batteries lasting only 5 years.

I do 15 miles a day in my van. Even the oldest, most degraded electric batteries on the Nissan leaf (8 years old) still show 45 miles range when fully charged.

Electric vehicles have come a long way, it's the infrastructure which is the problem.

Each office should install solar panels.

Factor in the fuel costs and the fact that electric vehicles are cheaper to service and repair and there won't be much in it.

100% agree with the OP, on a cold day when all the vans are idling to defrost their vans its like walking into a cloud of smog. Definitely a health risk.

You've basically nailed my point. Bring back bikes (electric?) for certain rounds , and get EV vehicles rolled out ASAP .

[SpacePhoenix]

Electric vehicles aren't viable overall as more power stations would have to be built, renewable energy isn't reliable enough so the new power stations would likely have to be gas or coal

Renewable energy is reliable and viable .It's just not our governments policy to invest in it.

and when there's no wind to drive a wind turbine, where do you expect the power to come from instead?

There was a thing on the news today that new builds might be banned from using gas so that's even more load on the power grid

[Mr Rush]

Electric vehicles aren't viable overall as more power stations would have to be built, renewable energy isn't reliable enough so the new power stations would likely have to be gas or coal

Even if growth in electic vehicles had to be made possible by an increase in gas or coal-fired power stations, a power station turbine is a far more efficient generator of power than however many internal combustion engines running around the streets generating equivalent output. It's a net improvement, even if a small one.

[rockmanrock]

Electric vehicles aren't viable overall as more power stations would have to be built, renewable energy isn't reliable enough so the new power stations would likely have to be gas or coal

Renewable energy is reliable and viable .It's just not our governments policy to invest in it.

and when there's no wind to drive a wind turbine, where do you expect the power to come from instead?

There was a thing on the news today that new builds might be banned from using gas so that's even more load on the power grid

Dude - other countries who have invested in renewable energy have powered the whole country on it . Big oil companies won't like it , but it's so obviously the future.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 07991.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[rockmanrock]

Electric vehicles aren't viable overall as more power stations would have to be built, renewable energy isn't reliable enough so the new power stations would likely have to be gas or coal

Even if growth in electic vehicles had to be made possible by an increase in gas or coal-fired power stations, a power station turbine is a far more efficient generator of power than however many internal combustion engines running around the streets generating equivalent output. It's a net improvement, even if a small one.

Agree , but not good enough . Renewable can sustain a country .
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[97gaz]

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[SpacePhoenix]

Electric vehicles aren't viable overall as more power stations would have to be built, renewable energy isn't reliable enough so the new power stations would likely have to be gas or coal

Renewable energy is reliable and viable .It's just not our governments policy to invest in it.

and when there's no wind to drive a wind turbine, where do you expect the power to come from instead?

There was a thing on the news today that new builds might be banned from using gas so that's even more load on the power grid

Dude - other countries who have invested in renewable energy have powered the whole country on it . Big oil companies won't like it , but it's so obviously the future.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 07991.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

and just how many turbines will be needed to cover demand from when everyone has an electric car and when houses get forced to use electric for their hot water heating, heating and cooking? The National Grid can barely cope with current demand, let alone all that extra demand

[rockmanrock]

Electric vehicles aren't viable overall as more power stations would have to be built, renewable energy isn't reliable enough so the new power stations would likely have to be gas or coal

Renewable energy is reliable and viable .It's just not our governments policy to invest in it.

and when there's no wind to drive a wind turbine, where do you expect the power to come from instead?

There was a thing on the news today that new builds might be banned from using gas so that's even more load on the power grid

Dude - other countries who have invested in renewable energy have powered the whole country on it . Big oil companies won't like it , but it's so obviously the future.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 07991.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

and just how many turbines will be needed to cover demand from when everyone has an electric car and when houses get forced to use electric for their hot water heating, heating and cooking? The National Grid can barely cope with current demand, let alone all that extra demand

It can be done , as i've proved above . Just needs the will of a progressive green government policy

[SpacePhoenix]

Electric vehicles aren't viable overall as more power stations would have to be built, renewable energy isn't reliable enough so the new power stations would likely have to be gas or coal

Renewable energy is reliable and viable .It's just not our governments policy to invest in it.

and when there's no wind to drive a wind turbine, where do you expect the power to come from instead?

There was a thing on the news today that new builds might be banned from using gas so that's even more load on the power grid

Dude - other countries who have invested in renewable energy have powered the whole country on it . Big oil companies won't like it , but it's so obviously the future.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 07991.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

and just how many turbines will be needed to cover demand from when everyone has an electric car and when houses get forced to use electric for their hot water heating, heating and cooking? The National Grid can barely cope with current demand, let alone all that extra demand

It can be done , as i've proved above . Just needs the will of a progressive green government policy

You need a viable energy storage system before renewables can viably take over from non-renewables.