Yeah fair enough, we have 6 hour deliveries here. Most of the time it’s under 12 but if it’s every house it’s easily over.clashcityrocker wrote:Neither.postmanzach wrote:Are you a Dom or area management type?clashcityrocker wrote:First we need to realise that nobody is walking 13 miles/day.goldy wrote:I think we have to start thinking about]maximum walking distance.
It would take you over 4 hours of walking at a steady pace to cover that distance - never mind stopping at doors/waiting for customers etc.
So if we are going to start thinking about maximum walking distances we first need an accurate measure.
Just someone who realises that modern technology has its limits and isn't afraid to use his noodle when something doesn't add up.
As a fitter than average person I don't think I could walk 13 miles/day in a 4-5 hour delivery span.
I know I couldn't.
I have worked in offices the length and breadth of the country and I have mapped my duties using map my run etc and even allowing a generous add on for the driveways no duty has ever come anywhere near 13 miles of walking. Not even close.
So ask yourself how the technology you are using actually works and then ask why it might not be as accurate as you think.
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must be a hell of a busy office, even on a mon/tues/ and sat?number one wrote:Ghostinghero22 wrote:how can you do 45 hours overtime in one week on top of your own contracted hours ? 44k a year is bollocks
Coming in to do early sorting -2hrs
Doing a row of a walk extra -2hrs
Doing a full walk extra -10hrs
Working day off -10hrs
York of packets -3hrs
Collections - 4hrs
Working Sunday -5hrs
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45hours plus the 38 as a FT worker .That's 83 hrs at work and 85 not working , add a bit of a commute and half your life at work .
Not a great balance eh
Not a great balance eh
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Wow, I never get offered these deals. When I do extra work, I get paid for the time it takes.number one wrote:Ghostinghero22 wrote:how can you do 45 hours overtime in one week on top of your own contracted hours ? 44k a year is bollocks
Coming in to do early sorting -2hrs
Doing a row of a walk extra -2hrs
Doing a full walk extra -10hrs
Working day off -10hrs
York of packets -3hrs
Collections - 4hrs
Working Sunday -5hrs
It all adds up.
Come April I will post up wage slips for all the non believers
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Far from it but that’s why it’s easy to accumulate hours and ghost.daveyeff wrote:must be a hell of a busy office, even on a mon/tues/ and sat?number one wrote:Ghostinghero22 wrote:how can you do 45 hours overtime in one week on top of your own contracted hours ? 44k a year is bollocks
Coming in to do early sorting -2hrs
Doing a row of a walk extra -2hrs
Doing a full walk extra -10hrs
Working day off -10hrs
York of packets -3hrs
Collections - 4hrs
Working Sunday -5hrs
It all adds up.
Come April I will post up wage slips for all the non believers
Some people do 11hrs a day overtime.
early ips -2hrs
Half another walk 5hrs
Collection 4hrs
Plus depending what break they’ve had book some of that
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manager in my office thinks are are going back to posties and parcel drivers,
However he reckons a postie will deliver letters and postable packets for two walks on a bike.
A parcel driver will deliver packets for 4-6 walks.
If driver delivers parcels for 6 walks, that would also require 3 mail posties. So therefore 4 posties are delivering 6 walks instead of the current 6.
Big savings
However he reckons a postie will deliver letters and postable packets for two walks on a bike.
A parcel driver will deliver packets for 4-6 walks.
If driver delivers parcels for 6 walks, that would also require 3 mail posties. So therefore 4 posties are delivering 6 walks instead of the current 6.
Big savings
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Your manager is a fool, that’ll never happenplymouth3 wrote:manager in my office thinks are are going back to posties and parcel drivers,
However he reckons a postie will deliver letters and postable packets for two walks on a bike.
A parcel driver will deliver packets for 4-6 walks.
If driver delivers parcels for 6 walks, that would also require 3 mail posties. So therefore 4 posties are delivering 6 walks instead of the current 6.
Big savings
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Time taken on deathbed to realise 'i worked too many hrs'number one wrote:Ghostinghero22 wrote:how can you do 45 hours overtime in one week on top of your own contracted hours ? 44k a year is bollocks
Coming in to do early sorting -2hrs
Doing a row of a walk extra -2hrs
Doing a full walk extra -10hrs
Working day off -10hrs
York of packets -3hrs
Collections - 4hrs
Working Sunday -5hrs
It all adds up.
Come April I will post up wage slips for all the non believers
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Paid for and worked are two different thingsrambo1 wrote:Time taken on deathbed to realise 'i worked too many hrs'number one wrote:Ghostinghero22 wrote:how can you do 45 hours overtime in one week on top of your own contracted hours ? 44k a year is bollocks
Coming in to do early sorting -2hrs
Doing a row of a walk extra -2hrs
Doing a full walk extra -10hrs
Working day off -10hrs
York of packets -3hrs
Collections - 4hrs
Working Sunday -5hrs
It all adds up.
Come April I will post up wage slips for all the non believers
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Just walking up and down 500 average sized driveways (10m path to door) , you'd clock up over six miles without the bits in between the houses. 13 miles on a 6 hr delivery on a Wednesday is entirely possible I'd say.clashcityrocker wrote:Neither.postmanzach wrote:Are you a Dom or area management type?clashcityrocker wrote:First we need to realise that nobody is walking 13 miles/day.goldy wrote:I think we have to start thinking about]maximum walking distance.
It would take you over 4 hours of walking at a steady pace to cover that distance - never mind stopping at doors/waiting for customers etc.
So if we are going to start thinking about maximum walking distances we first need an accurate measure.
Just someone who realises that modern technology has its limits and isn't afraid to use his noodle when something doesn't add up.
As a fitter than average person I don't think I could walk 13 miles/day in a 4-5 hour delivery span.
I know I couldn't.
I have worked in offices the length and breadth of the country and I have mapped my duties using map my run etc and even allowing a generous add on for the driveways no duty has ever come anywhere near 13 miles of walking. Not even close.
So ask yourself how the technology you are using actually works and then ask why it might not be as accurate as you think.
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In that case, get prepared for a big change mate, as that sort of thing ain't gonna last much longer.number one wrote:Paid for and worked are two different thingsrambo1 wrote:Time taken on deathbed to realise 'i worked too many hrs'number one wrote:Ghostinghero22 wrote:how can you do 45 hours overtime in one week on top of your own contracted hours ? 44k a year is bollocks
Coming in to do early sorting -2hrs
Doing a row of a walk extra -2hrs
Doing a full walk extra -10hrs
Working day off -10hrs
York of packets -3hrs
Collections - 4hrs
Working Sunday -5hrs
It all adds up.
Come April I will post up wage slips for all the non believers
About a minute.
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number one
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Heard the same thing for 20 yearsrambo1 wrote:In that case, get prepared for a big change mate, as that sort of thing ain't gonna last much longer.number one wrote:Paid for and worked are two different thingsrambo1 wrote:Time taken on deathbed to realise 'i worked too many hrs'number one wrote:Ghostinghero22 wrote:how can you do 45 hours overtime in one week on top of your own contracted hours ? 44k a year is bollocks
Coming in to do early sorting -2hrs
Doing a row of a walk extra -2hrs
Doing a full walk extra -10hrs
Working day off -10hrs
York of packets -3hrs
Collections - 4hrs
Working Sunday -5hrs
It all adds up.
Come April I will post up wage slips for all the non believers
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Celgar wrote:We were told yesterday about a conversation our DOM has just had with some kind of higher up manager. Apparently RM wants 3% cuts across the whole business which equates to a reduction of 32 duty hours from our office budget so effectively not that far off a walk removed. Our DO is a fairly small one so this cut is going to really cut into larger offices staff levels.
The rest of the announcement shocked our union rep and was totally unexpected given that our walks are the longest in our area. RM want to forcibly move three FT posties from our DO to permanently work in another as yet undecided DO which could be up to 25 miles away! They then want to replace those three FT posties with three PT posties working undisclosed hours. They also want posties to do double prep to enable those PT posties to just do the delivery element of the job.
The higher manager person is of the impression that we don't have enough work to do to fill the prep time we are allocated. The trouble is the figures he/she has do not relate to how we perform the job therefore if we try to do it the way he/she thinks it will work then there won't be enough time to complete. Our DOM says this just show RM basically don't give a f*** about quality of service and only the bottom line matters.
Our DOM is now looking into redundancy & IHR options for any of us in case this **** scenario is implemented. So now we have to go to war and 'work to rule', or do the job properly as it is otherwise known, to show that how we do it currently makes it possible. If we do it by the book we will be like a lot of other offices where the mail routinely does not get delivered. I'm not sure how it's going to work out yet so either we will be able to get everything delivered each day and claim overtime or we will be 'cutting off' nearly every day! If everyone doesn't do it properly from now on our office is going to drastically change and will never be the same again.
RM has a history of making really bad changes to the job many of which I cannot remember but the most notable being absorption/lapsing/flexing. We never expected this to happen especially as we take great pride in our work and had been told we were one of the best DOs in our area.
Has anyone else just had this kind of bad news in their DOs ???
Every time a full-timer leaves, they always got replaced by a part-timer on less hours and I wonder if your office has too many full-timers?? In our office there are quite a few posties who double-prep duties for their part-time colleagues and the only way it seems to work is if 1. the postie/s comes in early for nowt (a few of them still do this) 2. its a real light day or 3. they bring the part-timer in early on overtime.
Someone looking at an office budget could be led to believe that more hours need to be put into the duties, especially if theres lots of overtime being claimed, when the opposite may in fact be the case.
On the face of it, shareholder value is the dumbest idea in the world.
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If every office was run like your corrupted place, royal mail would go out of business and you and all 130000 of your colleagues would be in the dole queue. Why some posties still don't understand that we are now a business which has to make money or go out of business. Your office by your description is probably running at a loss, and you think that's gonna continue? Really?number one wrote:Heard the same thing for 20 yearsrambo1 wrote:In that case, get prepared for a big change mate, as that sort of thing ain't gonna last much longer.number one wrote:Paid for and worked are two different thingsrambo1 wrote:Time taken on deathbed to realise 'i worked too many hrs'number one wrote:Ghostinghero22 wrote:how can you do 45 hours overtime in one week on top of your own contracted hours ? 44k a year is bollocks
Coming in to do early sorting -2hrs
Doing a row of a walk extra -2hrs
Doing a full walk extra -10hrs
Working day off -10hrs
York of packets -3hrs
Collections - 4hrs
Working Sunday -5hrs
It all adds up.
Come April I will post up wage slips for all the non believers
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number one
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Nope, as I said earlier we are within budgetrambo1 wrote:If every office was run like your corrupted place, royal mail would go out of business and you and all 130000 of your colleagues would be in the dole queue. Why some posties still don't understand that we are now a business which has to make money or go out of business. Your office by your description is probably running at a loss, and you think that's gonna continue? Really?number one wrote:Heard the same thing for 20 yearsrambo1 wrote:In that case, get prepared for a big change mate, as that sort of thing ain't gonna last much longer.number one wrote:Paid for and worked are two different thingsrambo1 wrote:Time taken on deathbed to realise 'i worked too many hrs'number one wrote:Ghostinghero22 wrote:how can you do 45 hours overtime in one week on top of your own contracted hours ? 44k a year is bollocks
Coming in to do early sorting -2hrs
Doing a row of a walk extra -2hrs
Doing a full walk extra -10hrs
Working day off -10hrs
York of packets -3hrs
Collections - 4hrs
Working Sunday -5hrs
It all adds up.
Come April I will post up wage slips for all the non believers
About a minute.