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[DirtyHarry]

What I want to know is, what are the offices with no machinery going to do when there are less and less IPS sorters because there throwing up walks for the 24 hours walks. The new contracts should not have been brought in untill all offices have the machinery in place. I have been told that it could be 2 to 3 years, by that time those of us on full time contracts will be out numbered and walking around on their knees. Or at the rate that they are leaving there will be no fulltimers. Also what happens at xmas!!!!!

Wait until the machinery's in place?....... Are you mad? .......... That could take up to 3 years to happen, if ever. ........... We work for Royal Mail, where common sense ideas from management have ceased to exist, that's if ever there was such a thing as a common sense idea from management, I'm only into my 8th year of service, so couldn't say with any certainty that management once had a modicum of common sense, ever.

[IWW Fellow Worker]

I'm a Luddite, I'm against any sort of machinary that deprives people of jobs.

Well said Harry. These people who use the name of Ned Ludd as an insult haven't a clue what they're on about. As for automation, in a propely run society it would be used to reduce working hours with no loss of pay rather than a way of throwing thousands of people onto the scrap heap as it is under the present system.

IWW mate, you're a man after my own heart Totally agree, why can't progress be shaped to benefit everyone?

If progress, British style, means a future where tens of millions of people are simply cast aside, just so a few can reap the dubious benefits, I'll do what little I can to hinder that progress, who knows, a little industrial sabotage might be needed in the near future.

I'd rather be a spanner in their works than a cog in their machine mate. Of course, if we were running things instead of them, we could run everything from libraries to railways in a much more efficient manner. Tman in defending thngs as they are, shows us how indequate the system of capitalism is in catering for the needs of the workers. He is welcome to defend it. It is his right to defend it. As for me, I won't miss the wars, depressions, crime rate, racism etc. his chosen system requires in order to operate.

[BELIAL]

I'm all for technology if it frees us from drudgery ,improves productivity gives us better conditions and improves our rewards

[Tman]

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Of course, if we were running things instead of them, we could run everything from libraries to railways in a much more efficient manner.

Pure supposition.

Tman in defending thngs as they are, shows us how indequate the system of capitalism is in catering for the needs of the workers. He is welcome to defend it. It is his right to defend it. As for me, I won't miss the wars, depressions, crime rate, racism etc. his chosen system requires in order to operate.

I recognise the benefits brought to the working man over the years by an imperfect system, can't you?
Hardly my "chosen" system, but the one which operates during my lifetime and I had no choice over that, but the assertion that wars, depressions, crime rate and rascism are needed etc etc, is the rhetoric of the absurd.
Choose any system, from Feudalism to the pseudo-Socialism of the old USSR, and the same old wars, depressions etc are there, unfortunately.
It'll take more than some pre-ordered political system to rid the world of those evils.

[IWW Fellow Worker]

I'll leave to continue your love afair with the bosses system. You obviously think that no better system can be devised than the one presently operating. Your notion that this system has brought anything of benefit to working people without working people having to fight for them sounds like something a Victorian factory owner would have said.

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[Tman]

I'll leave to continue your love afair with the bosses system.

Never said that.....

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You obviously think that no better system can be devised than the one presently operating.

Or that.

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Your notion that this system has brought anything of benefit to working people without working people having to fight for them sounds like something a Victorian factory owner would have said.[/quote]

And definitely not that. Please show me where I said anything even remotely like or about "working people not having to fight for them".
Debate all you like, but please don't fabricate points just to then repudiate them.