20 hrs missing on payslip

superports · Post by **superports** » 02 Nov 2018, 11:41

WhiteMoses wrote:Hello girls and boys. I worked really hard last week as I needed some extra money ( soon father to be so I need all the money in the world) . Worked 6 days. The managers told me to come 30 min -45 min earlier than usual ( on rota) as I was double prepping...plus every day at least 2 hours overtime . Just to find out today ( payslip) I was paid normal ( 24 hours / week plus 10 h/ OT....what should I do? Thanks

For a ftse100 company to be relying on signing in and out and noting overtime on a sheet of paper is unbelievable. This is something that belongs to a corner shop outfit. Clock in/out should be in force now, but we all know why it isn't.

WhiteMoses · Post by **WhiteMoses** » 02 Nov 2018, 13:59

So...I'm taking my 20 minutes break now...I went this morning very pissed in the office...and I asked to see the signed sheets for last week as I have 20h missing...in the end...He realized "he did a mistake " and I'm missing 19.48 hours ....f**** sake.after all this another manager came to me asking if I want to work some overtime today...I said no...I'm done working for free...I will not take any overtime until I'll have the missing money in my account...thank you all

Post by **rambo1** » 02 Nov 2018, 14:11

WhiteMoses wrote:So...I'm taking my 20 minutes break now...I went this morning very pissed in the office...and I asked to see the signed sheets for last week as I have 20h missing...in the end...He realized "he did a mistake " and I'm missing 19.48 hours ....f**** sake.after all this another manager came to me asking if I want to work some overtime today...I said no...I'm done working for free...I will not take any overtime until I'll have the missing money in my account...thank you all

Good for you mate. Putting your principles before money. Well done. Also, OK, you need the money as you're gonna become a dad soon, but you need to be there to support your partner too, money ain't everything. Good luck with everything.

Dorset Plodder · Post by **Dorset Plodder** » 02 Nov 2018, 16:07

Well Done for getting it sorted WM.

Bet you feel better for that? Does make you think though, would the DOM have realised his "Mistake" and paid you the money at a later date, IF you hadn't complained about it?

DOMs have a book of Dodgy Tricks (I'm sure) and they always try it on with new staff just to see if they can get away with it, I reckon.

They're job isn't that hard, and they've got a lot of time to double check things like Overtime & Holidays. Now he realises you're not an Easy Touch he'll probably book the correct ammount of OT.

LaggyBand · Post by **LaggyBand** » 02 Nov 2018, 16:28

You DEFINITELY SHOULDN’T have to do this, buuuuut....

If you are someone they use to do docket then all problems can be solved. Always use as leverage. It’s the only technique that works.

Talking like adults and expecting to be treated fairly, with dignity, and wanting to be paid without hassle for your efforts is fanciful in RM. Stick with what works.

“Yeah mate see I’d love to do that extra loop for you today but I’m owed 20 hours aint I, how deep in the hole we gonna get with it? Am I getting it next week? Defo yeah? If it’s in my payslip Thursday I’ll do that loop Fri/Sat etc.”

“ Look I’ll do this loop to help you out but I need my day off swapping next week for blah de blah as the missus wants to go pram shopping”

Get into the jist of that method and you’ll soon start seeing results.

DrSatan · Post by **DrSatan** » 02 Nov 2018, 16:29

Under paid overtime is far too common within this company. Most of the time I'd like to think its a genuine mistake or error and simply rectified then paid next week pay day. Trouble is, some managers think your pay isn't top of their priority list!

Buying a diary to record worked hours is a must!

LaggyBand · Post by **LaggyBand** » 02 Nov 2018, 16:34

As someone has alluded to, 90% of the time it is because the budget for that week needs to be kept under some prescribed threshold and they’re struggling g to do it, so they go down the list and ask who will complain the least if we miss them out.

Dorset Plodder · Post by **Dorset Plodder** » 02 Nov 2018, 16:50

LaggyBand wrote:You DEFINITELY SHOULDN’T have to do this, buuuuut....

If you are someone they use to do docket then all problems can be solved. Always use as leverage. It’s the only technique that works.

Talking like adults and expecting to be treated fairly, with dignity, and wanting to be paid without hassle for your efforts is fanciful in RM. Stick with what works.

“Yeah mate see I’d love to do that extra loop for you today but I’m owed 20 hours aint I, how deep in the hole we gonna get with it? Am I getting it next week? Defo yeah? If it’s in my payslip Thursday I’ll do that loop Fri/Sat etc.”

“ Look I’ll do this loop to help you out but I need my day off swapping next week for blah de blah as the missus wants to go pram shopping”

Get into the jist of that method and you’ll soon start seeing results.

Totally Agree LB

Sometimes you've got to play Hard Ball. My mate had to go right to the wire recently. They wanted him to come in on a Saturday he said, "Yeah No Problem.... BUT if the overtime I'm owed is not in Fridays wage slip you won't see me".

God knows why they try this method of management.... it obviously works with the majority of easy going, less abrasive colleagues?

superports · Post by **superports** » 02 Nov 2018, 16:54

For years my overtime would have been short by a few minutes, anything from 3 up to about 12 minutes, this never bothered me until I realised if they did it to everyone they're making quite a saving. Once I put my foot down and refused to do overtime until my pay was correct, it was never wrong again. Unfortunately too many people let a few minutes slide or don't even check! Stop giving these underhand, devious thieves free work.

LaggyBand · Post by **LaggyBand** » 02 Nov 2018, 16:57

superports wrote:For years my overtime would have been short by a few minutes, anything from 3 up to about 12 minutes, this never bothered me until I realised if they did it to everyone they're making quite a saving. Once I put my foot down and refused to do overtime until my pay was correct, it was never wrong again. Unfortunately too many people let a few minutes slide or don't even check! Stop giving these underhand, devious thieves free work.

Your actions got you promoted to the “will cause us trouble” category - “do not dock”.

Enjoy the feeling.

LaggyBand · Post by **LaggyBand** » 02 Nov 2018, 17:02

Dorset Plodder wrote:
LaggyBand wrote:You DEFINITELY SHOULDN’T have to do this, buuuuut....

If you are someone they use to do docket then all problems can be solved. Always use as leverage. It’s the only technique that works.

Talking like adults and expecting to be treated fairly, with dignity, and wanting to be paid without hassle for your efforts is fanciful in RM. Stick with what works.

“Yeah mate see I’d love to do that extra loop for you today but I’m owed 20 hours aint I, how deep in the hole we gonna get with it? Am I getting it next week? Defo yeah? If it’s in my payslip Thursday I’ll do that loop Fri/Sat etc.”

“ Look I’ll do this loop to help you out but I need my day off swapping next week for blah de blah as the missus wants to go pram shopping”

Get into the jist of that method and you’ll soon start seeing results.
Totally Agree LB Sometimes you've got to play Hard Ball. My mate had to go right to the wire recently. They wanted him to come in on a Saturday he said, "Yeah No Problem.... BUT if the overtime I'm owed is not in Fridays wage slip you won't see me". God knows why they try this method of management.... it obviously works with the majority of easy going, less abrasive colleagues?

Fantastic technique. We should always attach some clause to working a day off; this need not necessarily be construed as blackmail; I like to see it as a clause that merely affirms what is contractually due anyway - “I’ll work a sat for ya but how about you let me actually book those two days annual leave I’m owed”?

Post by **ArthurPewty** » 02 Nov 2018, 17:10

I use the 'memo' app on my phone and record all my overtime on it - date, amount of O/T, and any notes (eg if it's extra loops what round it's from etc). I literally do it as I walk out the door after the shift so I don't forget. Total it up for the week and check it against the payslip. I always allow 1 weeks grace it it's wrong, everyone can make a mistake, but if it's not right the next week it's no more O/T til it's right. Funnily enough, as others have said, it's surprising how correct it's been once I put my foot down.

Dorset Plodder · Post by **Dorset Plodder** » 02 Nov 2018, 17:29

superports wrote:For years my overtime would have been short by a few minutes, anything from 3 up to about 12 minutes, this never bothered me until I realised if they did it to everyone they're making quite a saving. Once I put my foot down and refused to do overtime until my pay was correct, it was never wrong again. Unfortunately too many people let a few minutes slide or don't even check! Stop giving these underhand, devious thieves free work.

Quite right SS. When the working week was reduced by an hour last time we had 12 mins a day taken off us. Whenever I was trying to work out my overtime I'd round down the finish time by 10 minutes, just so I didn't run out of fingers!

So RM were making 10 mins a week out of me.

Now we've had another 12 mins taken off us I was intially just rounding it down to 20 mins (including last years 12 mins). Then I thought "Bugger That it's closer to 25 mins"

So now I round the timings up to 25 mins and I'm starting to claw it back........ one minute at a time.

WhiteMoses · Post by **WhiteMoses** » 02 Nov 2018, 17:57

Thank you all. I didn't believe all this ( I heard from my colleagues "be careful with the hours...keep an eye on them) until it did happened to me. Is a bit sad such a big company to do dirty things like that. Like someone said is not a corner shop outlet... Lesson learned . I read somewhere that if you have more than 38 hours that week the rest of the hours are paid a bit more? For example they kept my hours under those 38 ...maybe just to not be paid more? That's ridiculous if this is the reason....is like they ( managers)are paying from they own pockets..FFS

LaggyBand · Post by **LaggyBand** » 02 Nov 2018, 19:19

People alway?say “surprising for such a big company” but at the end of the day it’s one bloke trying to keep his job secure / earn more money at the expense of yours.

This will all be solved once PDA tracking is rolled out full swing as originally intended, brought indoors too, sign in / sign out function on PDA, “why are you late” function, pick the option, automatic strike system not requiring human input, automatic logging of overtime through PDA, “you are working beyond your finish time do you wish to continue on overtime yes or no”, integrated with payment system again not requiring human input, goodbye ghost overtime, goodbye deals, goodbye 552...