unpaid overtime each week. union doing nothing, what do I do?

[Jpro747]

please explain how you would like the cwu to help or what the cwu should do ? we need to stand up to these people and they need to help themselves as well

Maybe have a ballot for industrial action against practices such as these. Like not being able to get lieu days we're entitled to because they're running the place at rock bottom. You never know they might get 80% in favour. No they might get 89% even. Oh wait..That didn't work last time when everyone I've spoken to voted for industrial action to stop these practices. Their main issue wasn't pay or the shorter working week but to be treat with some dignity and fairness and honesty.
But the Union and company threw them a few shekels and the problem went away.

You’re bang on the money there mate. 89% voted in favour to strike yet apparently the CWU has no backbone to sort out the issues going on in delivery offices, including the non payment of overtime!!!

[Postie45]

i highly doubt non payment of OT week in and week out is rampant throughout the company, there are rogue DOMs who are trying this crap, and getting away with it due to poor local reps.

[k979aaa]

please explain how you would like the cwu to help or what the cwu should do ? we need to stand up to these people and they need to help themselves as well

Maybe have a ballot for industrial action against practices such as these. Like not being able to get lieu days we're entitled to because they're running the place at rock bottom. You never know they might get 80% in favour. No they might get 89% even. Oh wait..That didn't work last time when everyone I've spoken to voted for industrial action to stop these practices. Their main issue wasn't pay or the shorter working week but to be treat with some dignity and fairness and honesty.
But the Union and company threw them a few shekels and the problem went away.

You’re bang on the money there mate. 89% voted in favour to strike yet apparently the CWU has no backbone to sort out the issues going on in delivery offices, including the non payment of overtime!!!

But yet agreed us to be monitored but not paid for the hours we actually work something stinks!

[rehabron]

please explain how you would like the cwu to help or what the cwu should do ? we need to stand up to these people and they need to help themselves as well

Maybe have a ballot for industrial action against practices such as these. Like not being able to get lieu days we're entitled to because they're running the place at rock bottom. You never know they might get 80% in favour. No they might get 89% even. Oh wait..That didn't work last time when everyone I've spoken to voted for industrial action to stop these practices. Their main issue wasn't pay or the shorter working week but to be treat with some dignity and fairness and honesty.
But the Union and company threw them a few shekels and the problem went away.

You’re bang on the money there mate. 89% voted in favour to strike yet apparently the CWU has no backbone to sort out the issues going on in delivery offices, including the non payment of overtime!!!

But yet agreed us to be monitored but not paid for the hours we actually work something stinks!

It was agreed after the 4 pillars campaign that workers on P/T contracts would be monitered in relation to the hours worked above their contracted hours and to reflect these hours would receive a temporary contract change and if this has failed to be honoured by RM then CWU HQ should be notified via their local rep who in the first instance has lodged a stage1 disagreement through the Industrial Framework.
For individuals who have been underpaid in their actual hours worked is in the first instance to notify their manager to rectify the discrepancy with HR Sheffied wages dept.and for the individual to coordinate with HR wages that the matter is being dealt with.
Having received notification from HR wages that they are totally unaware of the discrepency then the individual returns to their manager with this info.because something stinks and puts in a grievance which under the revised grievance procedure speeds up the process and a reply given within 14 days or automatically goes to the next stage level.
Still not reached a satisfactory conclusion then brought to the attention of the CWU starting with local, then area/division, finally CWU HQ.
Employer not paying you your wages for the hours worked is committing a fraudulant act and needs to be addressed internally or externally through an ET.
If individuals continue to accept their shortfall in hours withour creating a stink then certain managers will take this as an oportunity to keep continuing underpaying.

[k979aaa]

please explain how you would like the cwu to help or what the cwu should do ? we need to stand up to these people and they need to help themselves as well

Maybe have a ballot for industrial action against practices such as these. Like not being able to get lieu days we're entitled to because they're running the place at rock bottom. You never know they might get 80% in favour. No they might get 89% even. Oh wait..That didn't work last time when everyone I've spoken to voted for industrial action to stop these practices. Their main issue wasn't pay or the shorter working week but to be treat with some dignity and fairness and honesty.
But the Union and company threw them a few shekels and the problem went away.

You’re bang on the money there mate. 89% voted in favour to strike yet apparently the CWU has no backbone to sort out the issues going on in delivery offices, including the non payment of overtime!!!

But yet agreed us to be monitored but not paid for the hours we actually work something stinks!

It was agreed after the 4 pillars campaign that workers on P/T contracts would be monitered in relation to the hours worked above their contracted hours and to reflect these hours would receive a temporary contract change and if this has failed to be honoured by RM then CWU HQ should be notified via their local rep who in the first instance has lodged a stage1 disagreement through the Industrial Framework.
For individuals who have been underpaid in their actual hours worked is in the first instance to notify their manager to rectify the discrepancy with HR Sheffied wages dept.and for the individual to coordinate with HR wages that the matter is being dealt with.
Having received notification from HR wages that they are totally unaware of the discrepency then the individual returns to their manager with this info.because something stinks and puts in a grievance which under the revised grievance procedure speeds up the process and a reply given within 14 days or automatically goes to the next stage level.
Still not reached a satisfactory conclusion then brought to the attention of the CWU starting with local, then area/division, finally CWU HQ.
Employer not paying you your wages for the hours worked is committing a fraudulant act and needs to be addressed internally or externally through an ET.
If individuals continue to accept their shortfall in hours withour creating a stink then certain managers will take this as an oportunity to keep continuing underpaying.

And do you know why because they have a vested interest IE a bonus and that bonus is pensionable so they push us to have a nice retirement but if you had a clock in and out system this whole agenda would have been eradicated because you cannot get anymore blood out of the stone scenario but you can make people go over with threats and not pay them for your own personal gain!

[postslippete]

1. Stop doing overtime right here and now before you get all your backdated pay

2. In future record any overtime in a diary the hours worked and duty covered. Your office will have records of overtime claims to check back on.

3. Get in touch with Area Rep (not office rep) and put in a grievance stage 1 and 2 so that it is in writing

4. E-mail JustSayIt

[Brandy]

i highly doubt non payment of OT week in and week out is rampant throughout the company, there are rogue DOMs who are trying this crap, and getting away with it due to poor local reps.

Surely this can be classed as stealing? RM should hang their heads in shame.

[Flashman_]

As a rule I never do OT but me and my partner have recently found that we have not been paid for several bits that we did claim for. I have never been missing OT payments before, so this seems to be a new tactic the business is running.
Needless to say we have stopped doing any overtime, and now only take out what we are sure we can complete, within our time.
This seems to have begun about 3 months ago. I wonder if others haver seen this?

[nuns]

cant they just turn round and say OT was not agreed ? thats why scrubbed out

can you also ask to see all to dockets from past few months see if anything being scrubbed?

[rehabron]

Right not to suffer unauthorised deductions.
(1)
An employer shall not make a deduction from wages of a worker employed by him unless—
(a)
the deduction is required or authorised to be made by virtue of a statutory provision or a relevant provision of the worker’s contract, or
(b)
the worker has previously signified in writing his agreement or consent to the making of the deduction.
(2)
In this section “relevant provision”, in relation to a worker’s contract, means a provision of the contract comprised—
(a)
in one or more written terms of the contract of which the employer has given the worker a copy on an occasion prior to the employer making the deduction in question, or
(b)
in one or more terms of the contract (whether express or implied and, if express, whether oral or in writing) the existence and effect, or combined effect, of which in relation to the worker the employer has notified to the worker in writing on such an occasion.
(3)
Where the total amount of wages paid on any occasion by an employer to a worker employed by him is less than the total amount of the wages properly payable by him to the worker on that occasion (after deductions), the amount of the deficiency shall be treated for the purposes of this Part as a deduction made by the employer from the worker’s wages on that occasion.
(4)
Subsection (3) does not apply in so far as the deficiency is attributable to an error of any description on the part of the employer affecting the computation by him of the gross amount of the wages properly payable by him to the worker on that occasion.
(5)
For the purposes of this section a relevant provision of a worker’s contract having effect by virtue of a variation of the contract does not operate to authorise the making of a deduction on account of any conduct of the worker, or any other event occurring, before the variation took effect.
(6)
For the purposes of this section an agreement or consent signified by a worker does not operate to authorise the making of a deduction on account of any conduct of the worker, or any other event occurring, before the agreement or consent was signified.
(7)
This section does not affect any other statutory provision by virtue of which a sum payable to a worker by his employer but not constituting “wages” within the meaning of this Part is not to be subject to a deduction at the instance of the employer.

[superports]

I had overtime missing every week for years, it wasn't a huge amount, usually varying amounts up to 10 minutes. I didn't bother me until the penny dropped - it was MY time I was giving them, therefore I demanded I be paid for it. If I did overtime and it wasn't paid correctly I didn't do any overtime until it was. I remain convinced it was deliberate, if they were skimming a small enough amount of minutes off everyone, small enough that they wouldn't notice or be bothered to chase up, it would cut a huge chunk off their overtime budget.
Funnily enough when I stopped doing O/T until my pay was correct, my pay was always correct.

[danterossetti]

As a rule I never do OT but me and my partner have recently found that we have not been paid for several bits that we did claim for. I have never been missing OT payments before, so this seems to be a new tactic the business is running.
Needless to say we have stopped doing any overtime, and now only take out what we are sure we can complete, within our time.
This seems to have begun about 3 months ago. I wonder if others haver seen this?

Way forward pal, if you can afford it. I feel so much better now just working my contracted hours. And all the pressure and stress of having to deal with what I cut-off is on the manager, which is where it should be.

[RedRich]

Anybody remember the green docket sheets which you filled in on a daily basis and then at the end of the week it was totted up signed and paid, easy. Why a company as big as RM are allowed to use an archaic system such as the one in place now is amazing and maybe not even legal. Still we have the shorter working week to look forward to .

[Brandy]

Anybody remember the green docket sheets which you filled in on a daily basis and then at the end of the week it was totted up signed and paid, easy. Why a company as big as RM are allowed to use an archaic system such as the one in place now is amazing and maybe not even legal. Still we have the shorter working week to look forward to .

Yes I can remember them,and I can remember when the postie was treated with respect,and the job was great,sadly a long time ago

[goldy]

Yes I had never not been paid for overtime when I had no union in other jobs but now ive joined RM and the union im missing all the time. Whats going on with this union?