Clocking off

[number one]

The problem is that most people don't do the job correctly , remember that trolleys are MANDATORY

So why have all the bags got shoulder straps?

Too lazy to look into why? I'll help.

Its the assigned equipment for the loop that is mandatory. So on some loops, it's the bag on shoulder method, if they didn't have straps you couldn't use them.

Totally contradicting yourself here. I sometimes get called a “runner” I can assure you I’ve never once been running.

Your snip of my post made your assertion confusing. So I'll post it again

Obeying the speed limit is mandatory, but people break that all the time. As long as the speeder and the runner understand the consequences if caught it doesn't detract from the fact that it is still mandatory.

Where did I contradict myself? I'll explain, the actions of people don't change the fact that something is mandatory.

In one sentence you say using a trolley in Mandatory then saying you can carry a bag.

[clashcityrocker]

In one sentence you say using a trolley in Mandatory then saying you can carry a bag.

Are you about 5 years old?
It is the assigned equipment for that loop which is mandatory.

So if the assigned equipment is a lwt then the lwt is mandatory.
If you have a block of flats where it is impractical to take a trolley then a bag is the assigned equipment and is mandatory.
If the assigned equipment is a HCT then the HCT is mandatory and should be pushed from delivery point to delivery point and not used as a mobile bag drop.
If you have a block of flats on the HCT duty then you tie up the trolley to a piece of street furniture and use a bag for the flats.
The trolley should not be left unattended for more than 10 minutes.

This is what is meant by the assigned equipment is mandatory.
It isn't too difficult to understand I hope.

[IloveMYredTROLLEY!]

Further to Clash's post above, you are permitted to carry a pouch on your shoulder for loops with blocks of flats (when generally your duty should be using an LWT or HCT), but the pouch contents should weigh less than 5Kg.

[TrueBlueTerrier]

Its the assigned equipment for the loop that is mandatory. So on some loops, it's the bag on shoulder method, if they didn't have straps you couldn't use them.

Totally contradicting yourself here. I sometimes get called a “runner” I can assure you I’ve never once been running.

In one sentence you say using a trolley in Mandatory then saying you can carry a bag.

No, I highlighted it in red. You can carry a bag if it is the mandatory equipment for that loop

Perhaps you mistook this posters post for mine. He is right on trolley loops, but not for Pouch Loops.

The problem is that most people don't do the job correctly , remember that trolleys are MANDATORY

[number one]

Where is the agreement on different equipment for different loops because I am unaware of this policy.

[ted_e_bear]

Think this post has gone off topic and got a bit silly now, it seems to me that whenever doing the job properly is mentioned then an argument regarding the use of trollies occurs.

[TrueBlueTerrier]

Where is the agreement on different equipment for different loops because I am unaware of this policy.

Standby for a small avalanche.

https://www.royalmailchat.co.uk/communi ... =0#p289215" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; Reps Guidance on Royal Mail's 6-step Revision Process

Phase 5

Implementation of the revision, there will probably be a planned date for the implementation of the revision however, it is essential that this is agreed with you, and it is “do-able”. Prior to implementation of a revision, reps must ensure that the revision is compliant to all health and safety standards and signed off / confirmed as such by the WSR/ASR and that all equipment for the revision such as trolley’s, vans will be in place for the commencement of the revision. All training requirements should also be in place prior to the revision going “live” and that everyone is aware that all equipment aligned to the delivery must be used.

http://www.cwumerseyamal.org.uk/Busines ... eement.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; Business Transformation 2010 and Beyond P22

Once assigned the use of equipment specified for the route will be mandatory.

https://www.royalmailchat.co.uk/communi ... ry#p393424" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; WTL Mandatory Use of Assigned Equipment


https://www.royalmailchat.co.uk/communi ... =1&t=25250" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; Delivery Framework Agreement:From the agreement pages 17-28 Delivery Methods

Once assigned the use of equipment specified for the route will be mandatory.

Providing modern and fit for purpose equipment for delivery people.

The Delivery Methods/equipment that currently fit into this category is:

Lightweight Trolley (LWT)

High Capacity Trolley (HCT)

Electric High Capacity Trolley (EHCT)

Motor Vehicles (CDV *,Panel Vans, Compact etc)

Delivery pouch

[number one]

Where is the agreement on different equipment for different loops because I am unaware of this policy.

Standby for a small avalanche.

https://www.royalmailchat.co.uk/communi ... =0#p289215" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; Reps Guidance on Royal Mail's 6-step Revision Process

Phase 5

Implementation of the revision, there will probably be a planned date for the implementation of the revision however, it is essential that this is agreed with you, and it is “do-able”. Prior to implementation of a revision, reps must ensure that the revision is compliant to all health and safety standards and signed off / confirmed as such by the WSR/ASR and that all equipment for the revision such as trolley’s, vans will be in place for the commencement of the revision. All training requirements should also be in place prior to the revision going “live” and that everyone is aware that all equipment aligned to the delivery must be used.

http://www.cwumerseyamal.org.uk/Busines ... eement.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; Business Transformation 2010 and Beyond P22

Once assigned the use of equipment specified for the route will be mandatory.

https://www.royalmailchat.co.uk/communi ... ry#p393424" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; WTL Mandatory Use of Assigned Equipment


https://www.royalmailchat.co.uk/communi ... =1&t=25250" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; Delivery Framework Agreement:From the agreement pages 17-28 Delivery Methods

Once assigned the use of equipment specified for the route will be mandatory.

Providing modern and fit for purpose equipment for delivery people.

The Delivery Methods/equipment that currently fit into this category is:

Lightweight Trolley (LWT)

High Capacity Trolley (HCT)

Electric High Capacity Trolley (EHCT)

Motor Vehicles (CDV *,Panel Vans, Compact etc)

Delivery pouch

So it appears its a grey area then. There is no breakdown on what equipment should be used on each loop. The rules stipulate a LWT is mandatory so should be used on all loops.

Also let’s discuss health on safety with regards to a lwt after it has accidentally been wheeled through dog poo. You then have to put it in the back of the van for all this to then get on to parcels, bags and mail.

[TrueBlueTerrier]

Now you are being obtuse.

It doesn't say the Assigned equipment for the Duty is Mandatory. It says for the Route - ie from A to B, perhaps a loop

[plodplodplod]

Hahahah listen to you all. So many bitter people in here.

Why bitter ?

I used to run around but not anymore as ageing body means I'm just not as quick , still see others running / rushing and coming in early " to get ahead " . Not bothered about that but it makes me look slow although I keep a decent pace up however the Dom thinks we could also do more despite the fact he knows some rush and cut corners.

I like to go home early of course but if you do the job as RM want then not much time to be made these days , happy to work my hours but don't want pressure to rush around

i think your chickens have come home to roost mate.