dvbuk55 wrote:I spent many hours walking through the graves of heroes in the sixties, have been over the bridges and once took part in the Nijmegen Marches. The war had been over just a year when I was born and the story of the failed operation but the magnificent effort was a source of some inspiration to me. I joined the army in 62 when I was 16. Strange that was in the sixties and now I'm in the sixties.
NO one could fault the effort and bravery of the troop's on that operation it was the over ambition and execution of the field comander's on the day and the total lack of leadership from the top down sound's just like royalmail today!.
coppertop wrote:What a big dissaster they have turned out to be Italk to posties from all over my area and they all say the same . Not one person that I have spoken to is going to vote in favour of the so called pay squeel but at the same time some have also said that they cannot afford to go on strike again
a no vote dont automatically mean further strikes
strike breakers also may not like the later starts so if you can bare to speak to them you could suggest that they could vote No to the agreement even if they dont intend to strike. We are not going to vote for strike or no strike we are voting on whether or not we wishto accept the agreement!
dvbuk55 wrote:I spent many hours walking through the graves of heroes in the sixties, have been over the bridges and once took part in the Nijmegen Marches. The war had been over just a year when I was born and the story of the failed operation but the magnificent effort was a source of some inspiration to me. I joined the army in 62 when I was 16. Strange that was in the sixties and now I'm in the sixties.
NO one could fault the effort and bravery of the troop's on that operation it was the over ambition and execution of the field comander's on the day and the total lack of leadership from the top down sound's just like royalmail today!.
It was Montgomerys plan and he sold it on the idea that the war would be over by xmas of 44, as it happens it went on for just a few months more. The early stages of the operation went well but the delay by bad weather of the drop by the Polish division allowed the Germans to regroup and by the time they made the LZ the Germans were waiting and they were slaughtered. We now live in harmony except for those damn Polish workers stealing our jobs
dvbuk55 wrote:I spent many hours walking through the graves of heroes in the sixties, have been over the bridges and once took part in the Nijmegen Marches. The war had been over just a year when I was born and the story of the failed operation but the magnificent effort was a source of some inspiration to me. I joined the army in 62 when I was 16. Strange that was in the sixties and now I'm in the sixties.
NO one could fault the effort and bravery of the troop's on that operation it was the over ambition and execution of the field comander's on the day and the total lack of leadership from the top down sound's just like royalmail today!.
It was Montgomerys plan and he sold it on the idea that the war would be over by xmas of 44, as it happens it went on for just a few months more. The early stages of the operation went well but the delay by bad weather of the drop by the Polish division allowed the Germans to regroup and by the time they made the LZ the Germans were waiting and they were slaughtered. We now live in harmony except for those damn Polish workers stealing our jobs
So the polish were late to start and we failed just as is the case now in royalmail this is the point royalmail managment is far too slow to learn the lesson's from the past.
k979aaa wrote:THIS IS THE BIGGEST DISASTER SINCE OPERATION MARKET GARDEN WHEN WILL THEY PULL THE TROOPS BACK TO THE PREVIOUS TIME'S!.
I think that will be a bridge too far.
Nice reference missed by many! I was trying to think of a witty response with either Arnhem or the Netherlands in it............
..............but failed.
WOT ABOUT...?
"the work has all been CLOGGED up????
And.. YOU KNOW WHEN A SCREW IS LYING... COZ THERE TU-LIPS ARE MOVING...
OUT
PS I will get me coat...
A "Bridge Too Far" was a film about Operation Market Garden at Arnhem in the Netherlands...............
It was a book and should be read to show how incompetent senior soldiers/managers can be (after all Monty claimed that the operation was 90% successful)
I'm preparing myself for the zombie invasion, rule number 1 - Cardio
coppertop wrote:What a big dissaster they have turned out to be Italk to posties from all over my area and they all say the same . Not one person that I have spoken to is going to vote in favour of the so called pay squeel but at the same time some have also said that they cannot afford to go on strike again
a no vote dont automatically mean further strikes
OL yes it does theres no more options you dont think dave and billy are going to bother to get back round the table this deal has already been signed and sealed you dont think that these voting papers are going to return a no vote do you .The results have already been counted for a yes vote (if you know what I mean)Thats before they have even been sent out.
coppertop wrote:What a big dissaster they have turned out to be Italk to posties from all over my area and they all say the same . Not one person that I have spoken to is going to vote in favour of the so called pay squeel but at the same time some have also said that they cannot afford to go on strike again
a no vote dont automatically mean further strikes
OL yes it does theres no more options you dont think dave and billy are going to bother to get back round the table this deal has already been signed and sealed you dont think that these voting papers are going to return a no vote do you .The results have already been counted for a yes vote (if you know what I mean)Thats before they have even been sent out.
THE UNION DOES NOT COUNT THEM IT GOES TO AN INDEPENDENT SCRUTINEER.!
k979aaa wrote:So the polish were late to start and we failed just as is the case now in royalmail this is the point royalmail managment is far too slow to learn the lesson's from the past.
Just so! Royal Mail management is like a fish out of water they have been schooled in the old manner and cannot cope with the new "business". They are not innovative enough and they are too easily swayed to new ideas that aren't relevant, such as part time hours, later starts and flexibility. When I first started managers were not allowed to touch the mail - now they can't keep their hands off it and the business has got worse and worse.
The manager which did the transport arrangements for the South west is called Mark Rundle he has been with the business for a numner of years and we are told he no longer workes for Royal Mail. Now is this becasue it is one big f**k up or did he leave on his own acord lol
superman wrote:The manager which did the transport arrangements for the South west is called Mark Rundle he has been with the business for a numner of years and we are told he no longer workes for Royal Mail. Now is this becasue it is one big f**k up or did he leave on his own acord lol
dont talk to me about mark rundle feckin prick (had a b+h case against him accused me(ranting and raving) of making my guys work a go slow on a customers driveway when he came out looking for me on my delivery because of office cut offs)
he prob fecked it up and was put on gardening duty
dvbuk55 wrote:I spent many hours walking through the graves of heroes in the sixties, have been over the bridges and once took part in the Nijmegen Marches. The war had been over just a year when I was born and the story of the failed operation but the magnificent effort was a source of some inspiration to me. I joined the army in 62 when I was 16. Strange that was in the sixties and now I'm in the sixties.
NO one could fault the effort and bravery of the troop's on that operation it was the over ambition and execution of the field comander's on the day and the total lack of leadership from the top down sound's just like royalmail today!.
It was Montgomerys plan and he sold it on the idea that the war would be over by xmas of 44, as it happens it went on for just a few months more. The early stages of the operation went well but the delay by bad weather of the drop by the Polish division allowed the Germans to regroup and by the time they made the LZ the Germans were waiting and they were slaughtered. We now live in harmony except for those damn Polish workers stealing our jobs
Another problem entirely due to planning was that there was only one road capable of carrying armour. Once the Germans became aware of the route they used loosely grouped formations called Kampfgruppes (KGs) and used these to continually attack the spearhead and slowed the advance just enough.
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dvbuk55 wrote:I spent many hours walking through the graves of heroes in the sixties, have been over the bridges and once took part in the Nijmegen Marches. The war had been over just a year when I was born and the story of the failed operation but the magnificent effort was a source of some inspiration to me. I joined the army in 62 when I was 16. Strange that was in the sixties and now I'm in the sixties.
NO one could fault the effort and bravery of the troop's on that operation it was the over ambition and execution of the field comander's on the day and the total lack of leadership from the top down sound's just like royalmail today!.
It was Montgomerys plan and he sold it on the idea that the war would be over by xmas of 44, as it happens it went on for just a few months more. The early stages of the operation went well but the delay by bad weather of the drop by the Polish division allowed the Germans to regroup and by the time they made the LZ the Germans were waiting and they were slaughtered. We now live in harmony except for those damn Polish workers stealing our jobs
Another problem entirely due to planning was that there was only one road capable of carrying armour. Once the Germans became aware of the route they used loosely grouped formations called Kampfgruppes (KGs) and used these to continually attack the spearhead and slowed the advance just enough.
dvbuk55 wrote:I spent many hours walking through the graves of heroes in the sixties, have been over the bridges and once took part in the Nijmegen Marches. The war had been over just a year when I was born and the story of the failed operation but the magnificent effort was a source of some inspiration to me. I joined the army in 62 when I was 16. Strange that was in the sixties and now I'm in the sixties.
NO one could fault the effort and bravery of the troop's on that operation it was the over ambition and execution of the field comander's on the day and the total lack of leadership from the top down sound's just like royalmail today!.
It was Montgomerys plan and he sold it on the idea that the war would be over by xmas of 44, as it happens it went on for just a few months more. The early stages of the operation went well but the delay by bad weather of the drop by the Polish division allowed the Germans to regroup and by the time they made the LZ the Germans were waiting and they were slaughtered. We now live in harmony except for those damn Polish workers stealing our jobs
Another problem entirely due to planning was that there was only one road capable of carrying armour. Once the Germans became aware of the route they used loosely grouped formations called Kampfgruppes (KGs) and used these to continually attack the spearhead and slowed the advance just enough.
k979aaa wrote:So the polish were late to start and we failed just as is the case now in royalmail this is the point royalmail managment is far too slow to learn the lesson's from the past.
Just so! Royal Mail management is like a fish out of water they have been schooled in the old manner and cannot cope with the new "business". They are not innovative enough and they are too easily swayed to new ideas that aren't relevant, such as part time hours, later starts and flexibility. When I first started managers were not allowed to touch the mail - now they can't keep their hands off it and the business has got worse and worse.
Yes when I first started all managers did was managed. I had a lot of respect for them. I can remember walking out the door in the early 70's with my one bag slung accross my shoulder when a voiced bellowed out, "Have you weighed that bag son" I looked round and it was my AI. No I said, come here he said. Put it on the scales and promptly said "it's over weight, take some out" Who will deliver it I asked. "you let me worry about that" was the answer. See that happening now.
