What does cutting off mean?

Charliecat · Post by **Charliecat** » 27 Mar 2018, 20:00

Ok so I know it means leaving post but I am not sure if it means leaving it in the frame before you deliver or bringing what you haven't had time to deliver back? I brought back a load of stuff I didn't have time to deliver ... Only because someone had left me the top 2 layers in the frame from the day before! The look I got was to die for lol! I did say before I left I may not be able to deliver it all though but they said to take it all . What should I have done ?

Interested-seeker · Post by **Interested-seeker** » 27 Mar 2018, 20:07

I have never cut off. But I think that people leave the mail in the frame and only take what they think that they can deliver in the time. Let managers know before you leave.

If you take all the mail out and bring some back, you open yourself up to wilful delay! Be careful.

Charliecat · Post by **Charliecat** » 27 Mar 2018, 20:10

Interested-seeker wrote:I have never cut off. But I think that people leave the mail in the frame and only take what they think that they can deliver in the time. Let managers know before you leave.

If you take all the mail out and bring some back, you open yourself up to wilful delay! Be careful.

Ok thanks. So next time it happens I will just say it can't be done and leave it. However I did try and tell them before I left and they said I should take it. Maybe they thought id cave in and actually deliver it. I would have been delivering til about 5 o clock though!!

rubberbond · Post by **rubberbond** » 27 Mar 2018, 20:18

The fact that some of the previous day's mail was in the frame, to me suggests that,that is a starting point for negotiations. How much are you going to pay me to deliver it all,if that is what is you are instructing me to do. Or, I will gladly take it out,where shall I put what I cannot deliver, when I bring it back.
So many choices, so little time.

Post by **TrueBlueTerrier** » 27 Mar 2018, 20:27

Charliecat wrote:
Interested-seeker wrote:I have never cut off. But I think that people leave the mail in the frame and only take what they think that they can deliver in the time. Let managers know before you leave.

If you take all the mail out and bring some back, you open yourself up to wilful delay! Be careful.
Ok thanks. So next time it happens I will just say it can't be done and leave it. However I did try and tell them before I left and they said I should take it. Maybe they thought id cave in and actually deliver it. I would have been delivering til about 5 o clock though!!

No.

If you know you can't complete then you inform the manager with a witness. The manager then makes a decision as the disposal of the mail, not you (witness present obvs)

The actual process is called the OVERRUNNING DELIVERIES OPG NOTIFICATION PROCEDURE https://www.royalmailchat.co.uk/communi ... 36&t=18563" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Post by **eastie** » 27 Mar 2018, 20:46

Why was there mail in the frame from a previous day??
Did the person cut off the previous day or didn't the DOM want to pay O/T for half a walk due to absence and thought you were going to deliver it for free ?
Half a walk is 3 hours O/T (1 and a half hours per row)
DOM is trying to save money on his budget and should have got it covered by people coming back early or getting someone in on O/T from another office

Creditshampoo · Post by **Creditshampoo** » 27 Mar 2018, 21:04

You tell a manager you can’t complete it all as the workload is too much.

If they tell you to take it out say you disagree with the amount you’ve been given and they MIST write it down in the diary that you contest the amount.

Remember, setting someone up to fail is bullying

Interested-seeker · Post by **Interested-seeker** » 27 Mar 2018, 21:16

TrueBlueTerrier wrote:
Charliecat wrote:
Interested-seeker wrote:I have never cut off. But I think that people leave the mail in the frame and only take what they think that they can deliver in the time. Let managers know before you leave.

If you take all the mail out and bring some back, you open yourself up to wilful delay! Be careful.
Ok thanks. So next time it happens I will just say it can't be done and leave it. However I did try and tell them before I left and they said I should take it. Maybe they thought id cave in and actually deliver it. I would have been delivering til about 5 o clock though!!
No.

If you know you can't complete then you inform the manager with a witness. The manager then makes a decision as the disposal of the mail, not you (witness present obvs)

The actual process is called the OVERRUNNING DELIVERIES OPG NOTIFICATION PROCEDURE https://www.royalmailchat.co.uk/communi ... 36&t=18563" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Okay, thanks for clarification and information. I have never cut off before and not been told the actual process. I was just assuming from what I have seen.

Charliecat · Post by **Charliecat** » 27 Mar 2018, 22:45

eastie wrote:Why was there mail in the frame from a previous day??
Did the person cut off the previous day or didn't the DOM want to pay O/T for half a walk due to absence and thought you were going to deliver it for free ?
Half a walk is 3 hours O/T (1 and a half hours per row)
DOM is trying to save money on his budget and should have got it covered by people coming back early or getting someone in on O/T from another office

My day off and only half was delivered, leaving the rest for me the following day . My question is do I argue the fact I think it's too much even if they say I need to take it? Bear in mind I am still a probationer

Celgar · Post by **Celgar** » 28 Mar 2018, 00:33

Charliecat wrote:
eastie wrote:Why was there mail in the frame from a previous day??
Did the person cut off the previous day or didn't the DOM want to pay O/T for half a walk due to absence and thought you were going to deliver it for free ?
Half a walk is 3 hours O/T (1 and a half hours per row)
DOM is trying to save money on his budget and should have got it covered by people coming back early or getting someone in on O/T from another office
My day off and only half was delivered, leaving the rest for me the following day . My question is do I argue the fact I think it's too much even if they say I need to take it? Bear in mind I am still a probationer

I will say first of all I think it's really bad that this kind of stuff isn't explained to new posties.

It is the DOMs responsibility to get all the mail delivered so if you feel there is not enough duty time to complete the whole delivery:
Decide if only want to work your duty time or if you are willing and able to work overtime and get paid for it.
Then take a witness, preferably your union rep or someone else you trust and tell the DOM the situation and ask them what they want to do about it. Remain calm and don't be rude or get angry.
Every DO is different - in our office most posties don't want to do more overtime but in other offices posties might be fighting over it !! It's not uncommon nowadays with staff shortages, sickness etc for partial or full walks to not get delivered. In our office if there is mail left in the frame from the previous day you will get two hours overtime as compensation to get the whole walk delivered that day. Worst case scenario it will be all the letters and packets but not generally 'tracked' items and certainly not SDs obviously. We don't get more than two hours overtime though. Sometimes posties will be willing to help out and we all do a bit each and get paid for it. Other times a few or no posties will be willing to help so mail will be left in the frame for the next day.
It's not a good idea to take all the mail out and then bring some back generally. That is why you got a funny look upon your return to the DO. There will usually be repercussions for such actions.

LaggyBand · Post by **LaggyBand** » 28 Mar 2018, 13:35

It is utterly ridiculous that new starters are literally expected to find someone, baring in mind they are likely not massively close to people yet, find someone to act as their “witness”, or find their union rep, putting a lovely contentious, awkward, adversarial setting around themselves in their new job, drag that person to their “manager” have a “discussion” or more likely argument, just to finish to the time they agreed to finish at when both parties entered the contract.

Don’t you DARE not do that. Don’t you DARE trust your manager and talk to him alone. You can get sacked for wilful delay, yeah, better yet bring a solicitor into work every day, just in case!

Oh, and even if you do all of that, we can decide not to take you on anyway if you p*ss us off too much. Hopefully you’ll be weak enough to worry about that and instead just work til it’s done.

So, so wrong.

The Postman · Post by **The Postman** » 28 Mar 2018, 18:01

You done the right thing, if your manager made the decision for you to take the lot out then that’s up to him. Not the right decision though, he should’ve let you leave some so he could have someone else deliver it that day.

yellowbelly · Post by **yellowbelly** » 28 Mar 2018, 21:37

LaggyBand wrote:It is utterly ridiculous that new starters are literally expected to find someone, baring in mind they are likely not massively close to people yet, find someone to act as their “witness”, or find their union rep, putting a lovely contentious, awkward, adversarial setting around themselves in their new job, drag that person to their “manager” have a “discussion” or more likely argument, just to finish to the time they agreed to finish at when both parties entered the contract.

Don’t you DARE not do that. Don’t you DARE trust your manager and talk to him alone. You can get sacked for wilful delay, yeah, better yet bring a solicitor into work every day, just in case!

Oh, and even if you do all of that, we can decide not to take you on anyway if you p*ss us off too much. Hopefully you’ll be weak enough to worry about that and instead just work til it’s done.

So, so wrong.

Don't worry - we're about to experience a 'culture change' apparently......

Jpro747 · Post by **Jpro747** » 28 Mar 2018, 21:47

LaggyBand wrote:It is utterly ridiculous that new starters are literally expected to find someone, baring in mind they are likely not massively close to people yet, find someone to act as their “witness”, or find their union rep, putting a lovely contentious, awkward, adversarial setting around themselves in their new job, drag that person to their “manager” have a “discussion” or more likely argument, just to finish to the time they agreed to finish at when both parties entered the contract.

Don’t you DARE not do that. Don’t you DARE trust your manager and talk to him alone. You can get sacked for wilful delay, yeah, better yet bring a solicitor into work every day, just in case!

Oh, and even if you do all of that, we can decide not to take you on anyway if you p*ss us off too much. Hopefully you’ll be weak enough to worry about that and instead just work til it’s done.

So, so wrong.

Sadly true. You’re really up against it as a newbie on delivery, no wonder so many hand their notice in after a few weeks.

robbertwhitton · Post by **robbertwhitton** » 28 Mar 2018, 22:15

LaggyBand wrote:It is utterly ridiculous that new starters are literally expected to find someone, baring in mind they are likely not massively close to people yet, find someone to act as their “witness”, or find their union rep, putting a lovely contentious, awkward, adversarial setting around themselves in their new job, drag that person to their “manager” have a “discussion” or more likely argument, just to finish to the time they agreed to finish at when both parties entered the contract.

Don’t you DARE not do that. Don’t you DARE trust your manager and talk to him alone. You can get sacked for wilful delay, yeah, better yet bring a solicitor into work every day, just in case!

Oh, and even if you do all of that, we can decide not to take you on anyway if you p*ss us off too much. Hopefully you’ll be weak enough to worry about that and instead just work til it’s done.

So, so wrong.

The whole thing is really laughable and certainly not fit for purpose,as to what you should get what you can claim and the conversation and bartering to reach an agreement is a tad antiquated to say the least and must vary from office to office,not having enough time to complete your round is soul destroying,and as for shouts of wilful delay we’ll thats rich when we see that being swept under the carpet as and when it suits,we all know doing the job safety,properly,and securely takes far too long now,which suits them until something goes wrong and they jump on you from a great height! After 37 years it wears a bit thin and keen to get evr and be gone