When is the ballot?

[Martin Walsh]

The pay deal is fairly simple it is 5% from October the 2nd and for a person in receipt of the delivery supplement and full time your pay will increase by £21.80 and it is worth £1700 over the 18 month period to you.

Your back pay will be based on basic pay and delivery supplement and being paid the first week in April will be £566 before tax.

The 2% in April 2019 is worth with DS £9. 15.

So in total the 3 year pay deal is worth for delivery full timers with DS £30.95 increase per week.

According to Labour research the average pay increase for 2017/18 was 2.4%.

Part timers will get an an additional 2.665% in October , contrary to rumours this will happen.

The further hour off the working week will be subject to new functional agreement and the outcome of the trails and annual conference will put some markers down around that any final agreement will be subject to a policy forum and to a individual member ballot.

[calum1502]

Does the 5% from October 2017 not include night/back shift allowances ? . I was led to believe allowances were in with the back pay .

[Martin Walsh]

Yes the 5% flows through to all allowances , SA and overtime from October 2nd 2017

[yellowbelly]

The pay deal is fairly simple it is 5% from October the 2nd and for a person in receipt of the delivery supplement and full time your pay will increase by £21.80 and it is worth £1700 over the 18 month period to you.

Your back pay will be based on basic pay and delivery supplement and being paid the first week in April will be £566 before tax.

The 2% in April 2019 is worth with DS £9. 15.

So in total the 3 year pay deal is worth for delivery full timers with DS £30.95 increase per week.

According to Labour research the average pay increase for 2017/18 was 2.4%.

Part timers will get an an additional 2.665% in October , contrary to rumours this will happen.

The further hour off the working week will be subject to new functional agreement and the outcome of the trails and annual conference will put some markers down around that any final agreement will be subject to a policy forum and to a individual member ballot.

Don't think so, but correct me if I'm wrong!!

Using the figures you've quoted above, you get a rise of 21.80 for 18 months (1700 as you said).

Then in April 2019 you get a further rise of 9.15 plus the original 21.80 for 52 weeks (30.95 x 52) = 1610.

So approx 1700 + 1610 divided by (26+52+52 weeks) = 3310 divided by 130 which is an average of 25.46 over 2.5 years not 30.95.

If you want to quote it over 3 years it's even worse: 21.21

[lightningpostman]

The pay deal is fairly simple it is 5% from October the 2nd and for a person in receipt of the delivery supplement and full time your pay will increase by £21.80 and it is worth £1700 over the 18 month period to you.

Your back pay will be based on basic pay and delivery supplement and being paid the first week in April will be £566 before tax.

The 2% in April 2019 is worth with DS £9. 15.

So in total the 3 year pay deal is worth for delivery full timers with DS £30.95 increase per week.

According to Labour research the average pay increase for 2017/18 was 2.4%.

Part timers will get an an additional 2.665% in October , contrary to rumours this will happen.

The further hour off the working week will be subject to new functional agreement and the outcome of the trails and annual conference will put some markers down around that any final agreement will be subject to a policy forum and to a individual member ballot.

right so all the overtime us part timers clocked up from april - oct brushed under the carpet,

less money to pay if rm hand out a whopping 5% over a 1 1/2 year period then to give out 2.5 last year and 2.5 this year.

give the exec and those higher ups who had THAT CLEVER IDEA a promotion.

show the peasants a large figure and they'll forget about what there really entitled to

life is good

[clashcityrocker]

right so all the overtime us part timers clocked up from april - oct brushed under the carpet,

less money to pay if rm hand out a whopping 5% over a 1 1/2 year period then to give out 2.5 last year and 2.5 this year.

give the exec and those higher ups who had THAT CLEVER IDEA a promotion.

The pay offer was never 2.5% for each year. I believe it was 2% and 2.5%.
So 4.5% over 2 years or 5% over 18 months.
The number crunchers decided 5% backdated to Oct would be more beneficial as most overtime is performed over the Autumn/Christmas period.
You don't have to accept the deal if you don't like it. Ballot papers should be out soon.

[Martin Walsh]

Wrong the offer was 2.6% back dated to April 2017 which on the National Rate would have been worth £10:21 and than 2% from this April would have been worth £8.46 so a total of £19.17

The 5% from October is £20.61 per week.

Hence why the union went for the 5%.

In terms of part timers more part timers increase their hours from October to Christmas than they do from April to August.

[BELIAL]

And 5% looks like a good result ,until you consider its really 2.5% over two years , with RPI at 4% in January 2018 that gives a two year 1.5% pay cut . Then consider that RPI is on an upward trend with Mark Carney warning of rate rises and inflationary pressure (brexit, trading deficits ,market uncertainty etc.etc. etc) it looks like an even bigger real term pay cut.

[aiden01]

And 5% looks like a good result ,until you consider its really 2.5% over two years , with RPI at 4% in January 2018 that gives a two year 1.5% pay cut . Then consider that RPI is on an upward trend with Mark Carney warning of rate rises and inflationary pressure (brexit, trading deficits ,market uncertainty etc.etc. etc) it looks like an even bigger real term pay cut.

pleaese let me know who else is getting a pay rise like this certainly not overworked NHS staff.

[BELIAL]

And 5% looks like a good result ,until you consider its really 2.5% over two years , with RPI at 4% in January 2018 that gives a two year 1.5% pay cut . Then consider that RPI is on an upward trend with Mark Carney warning of rate rises and inflationary pressure (brexit, trading deficits ,market uncertainty etc.etc. etc) it looks like an even bigger real term pay cut.

pleaese let me know who else is getting a pay rise like this certainly not overworked NHS staff.

Hi , I note the' we are not worthy crowd' are still floating. If you really want to know I'll put in a bit of effort and tell you what Moya"s pay rise was this year ,but just off the top of my head I seem to recall a 25% pay increase . NHS staff , do you think they should work for nowt? Not really a good thing is it.

[aiden01]

And 5% looks like a good result ,until you consider its really 2.5% over two years , with RPI at 4% in January 2018 that gives a two year 1.5% pay cut . Then consider that RPI is on an upward trend with Mark Carney warning of rate rises and inflationary pressure (brexit, trading deficits ,market uncertainty etc.etc. etc) it looks like an even bigger real term pay cut.

pleaese let me know who else is getting a pay rise like this certainly not overworked NHS staff.

Hi , I note the' we are not worthy crowd' are still floating. If you really want to know I'll put in a bit of effort and tell you what Moya"s pay rise was this year ,but just off the top of my head I seem to recall a 25% pay increase . NHS staff , do you think they should work for nowt? Not really a good thing is it.

WTF nhs staff work for nowt.. where did i say that please read my post properly. as for we are not worthy crowd in my opinion pay deal is half decent now tell me what kind of pay rise nhs staff are getting 1% rings a bell??

[rogersh]

And 5% looks like a good result ,until you consider its really 2.5% over two years , with RPI at 4% in January 2018 that gives a two year 1.5% pay cut . Then consider that RPI is on an upward trend with Mark Carney warning of rate rises and inflationary pressure (brexit, trading deficits ,market uncertainty etc.etc. etc) it looks like an even bigger real term pay cut.

From October 2018, assuming the 1 hour reduction happens, An increase in the pay rate by 2.665% needs to be factored in for 6 months of the 2 year period.

[BELIAL]

And 5% looks like a good result ,until you consider its really 2.5% over two years , with RPI at 4% in January 2018 that gives a two year 1.5% pay cut . Then consider that RPI is on an upward trend with Mark Carney warning of rate rises and inflationary pressure (brexit, trading deficits ,market uncertainty etc.etc. etc) it looks like an even bigger real term pay cut.

From October 2018, assuming the 1 hour reduction happens, An increase in the pay rate by 2.665% needs to be factored in for 6 months of the 2 year period.

Yep you are right, but that's still a !.335% pay cut and heading south . So I do apologise for my 1.2% mistake however if you work in delivery ,with the prospect of forced unpaid OT backed up by threat of conduct coding you will know that the 1hr reduction is meaningless.
As for the other guy been there ,seen that and got your pointless number

[Coinbags]

And 5% looks like a good result ,until you consider its really 2.5% over two years , with RPI at 4% in January 2018 that gives a two year 1.5% pay cut . Then consider that RPI is on an upward trend with Mark Carney warning of rate rises and inflationary pressure (brexit, trading deficits ,market uncertainty etc.etc. etc) it looks like an even bigger real term pay cut.

pleaese let me know who else is getting a pay rise like this certainly not overworked NHS staff.

Hi , I note the' we are not worthy crowd' are still floating. If you really want to know I'll put in a bit of effort and tell you what Moya"s pay rise was this year ,but just off the top of my head I seem to recall a 25% pay increase . NHS staff , do you think they should work for nowt? Not really a good thing is it.

WTF nhs staff work for nowt.. where did i say that please read my post properly. as for we are not worthy crowd in my opinion pay deal is half decent now tell me what kind of pay rise nhs staff are getting 1% rings a bell??

MAIL CENTRES/PROCESSING says it all really !

[BELIAL]

And 5% looks like a good result ,until you consider its really 2.5% over two years , with RPI at 4% in January 2018 that gives a two year 1.5% pay cut . Then consider that RPI is on an upward trend with Mark Carney warning of rate rises and inflationary pressure (brexit, trading deficits ,market uncertainty etc.etc. etc) it looks like an even bigger real term pay cut.

pleaese let me know who else is getting a pay rise like this certainly not overworked NHS staff.

Hi , I note the' we are not worthy crowd' are still floating. If you really want to know I'll put in a bit of effort and tell you what Moya"s pay rise was this year ,but just off the top of my head I seem to recall a 25% pay increase . NHS staff , do you think they should work for nowt? Not really a good thing is it.

WTF nhs staff work for nowt.. where did i say that please read my post properly. as for we are not worthy crowd in my opinion pay deal is half decent now tell me what kind of pay rise nhs staff are getting 1% rings a bell??

MAIL CENTRES/PROCESSING says it all really !

I'd be wary of taring all of them with the same brush ,after all divide and conquer is the oldest trick in the book.
Who knows who they really are? What I do know is ,that none of the people I work alongside are campaigning for a pay and pension cut.
I can only guess that these people exist in a very different world from me :you: and everyone I work with{apart from my DIM}