Attendance in Severe Weather

steve1873 · Post by **steve1873** » 01 Mar 2018, 18:28

mattycash wrote:What if today was your day off & the office got sent home, do you get day in leu?

No, don't be ridiculous!

russellatapy · Post by **russellatapy** » 01 Mar 2018, 18:57

How's the 2 and 3 mile distances in the opening post differentiated?

Post by **TrueBlueTerrier** » 01 Mar 2018, 19:01

russellatapy wrote:How's the 2 and 3 mile distances in the opening post differentiated?

its differentiated in the same sentence

Those living within three miles (4.8km) (or two miles 3.2km) for employees who spend most of their working day on their feet)

So Delivery OPGs are 2miles (3.2km).

russellatapy · Post by **russellatapy** » 01 Mar 2018, 19:09

TrueBlueTerrier wrote:
russellatapy wrote:How's the 2 and 3 mile distances in the opening post differentiated?
its differentiated in the same sentence
Those living within three miles (4.8km) (or two miles 3.2km) for employees who spend most of their working day on their feet)
So Delivery OPGs are 2miles (3.2km).

Thanks, that extra ) caught me out

Post by **POSTMAN** » 02 Mar 2018, 00:06

HirstyUK wrote:
POSTMAN wrote:
HirstyUK wrote:
POSTMAN wrote:CWU HQ are receiving numerous reports and enquiries that as a result of the severe weather conditions, Royal Mail Managers are attempting to insist that in cases where our members are being sent home early from work due to unsafe conditions for delivery, collections, road services etc, the Pay & Modernisation Agreement and in particular the flexibility clause within that agreement, is applicable.

There is no provision within the Pay & Modernisation Agreement for the clawback of any time as a result of what is tantamount to an 'act of God' i.e. the severe weather conditions that the UK is currently experiencing.

We have had further reports that some Managers are attempting to have our members take annual leave, make good the time, or even in some cases Special Leave 'C' (unpaid) where they could not attend work through no fault of their own. Once again, our representatives should be clear that this has not been agreed with the Postal Department at CWU HQ.

Any enquiries should be addressed to the DGS (P) Department quoting reference number 60000.

They didn't "send anyone home" from our office, just told us if we go out delivering its at our risk, so we all stayed in. What are our rights for going home/getting paid then?
In plain english:
Hirsty, go home now if you want and you will have to make the time up, or else sit here and get paid.
Hirsty, go home now and you won't have to make the time up.(Get conformation from the manager)
Hirsty, I wanna go home I ain't sitting here all day.(Managemnt have the right to dock you/ask you to make time up)

Righto cheers, I stayed till finish time anyway. I also did 1.5hours overtime in the morning, they can't refuse to pay this can they? Even though we did nothing all day after the walks were prepped.

They will no doubt try to scrap it, but I guess you came in before your duty time yes? If so they shouldn't be able to touch it.

Post by **SpacePhoenix** » 02 Mar 2018, 01:33

TrueBlueTerrier wrote:
russellatapy wrote:How's the 2 and 3 mile distances in the opening post differentiated?
its differentiated in the same sentence
Those living within three miles (4.8km) (or two miles 3.2km) for employees who spend most of their working day on their feet)
So Delivery OPGs are 2miles (3.2km).

Most non-admin jobs in MCs are also ones where you're on your feet all day

Creditshampoo · Post by **Creditshampoo** » 02 Mar 2018, 07:26

If you can’t make it in can they refuse to pay you a days holiday? Pure bulking tactic

CAMPINGBLUNDERER · Post by **CAMPINGBLUNDERER** » 02 Mar 2018, 07:43

This is what we have been sent

Hi guys, it is weather permitting what will happen tomorrow (Friday). If you cannot get into work or your closest office due to the weather then it will be used as AL or unpaid if no annual leave left to use as agreed with the union in the attendance policy. If you can get into work then the decision will be made for health safety reasons if any deliveries/collections go out. Please make sure you call the office as soon as you regarding your attendance. Thank you

russellatapy · Post by **russellatapy** » 02 Mar 2018, 09:14

fishtank wrote:Posted for reference given the weather at the moment.
No it's not a "joint" document.
Yes it is pretty much accepted as is..
Yes we do have arguments over it every year.

Attendance in Severe Weather

It is the responsibility of every employee under his or her contract of employment to make every effort to attend for work within his or her scheduled duty time. Every employee who is physically fit will be expected to make every effort to report to his or her normal place of work and to use their initiative in getting to and from work. Those living within three miles (4.8km) (or two miles 3.2km) for employees who spend most of their working day on their feet) may be expected to walk that distance each way daily, as may those who can get transport part way.

Any employee who cannot get to their own workplace should telephone their Line Manager or Staff Resourcing Unit in accordance with local arrangements at Mail Centres and keep them advised of any change in their circumstances.

All Employees
Employees unable to get to their place of work should report to the nearest Royal Mail premises within either three miles (4.8km) – or two miles (3.2km) of their homes or to which public transport is available, where members of their grade are most likely to be employed.

Some staff will still be unable to attend alternative work location and they should contact their Line Manager to explain the situation. On return to work the Line Manager will discuss with them how the absence is to be treated. Each case will be treated on it's merits and in recognition of employees to attend for work in adverse circumstances.

Practical options open to managers include:

Take one day annual leave
Take the day off and make up the time during the following week

Where individuals are unable to attend for work over several days because of the conditions, advice should be sought from Employment Policy Managers on how the absences should be treated.

Use of Private Vehicles
Employees may normally use their own vehicle for getting to and from work and carry as many passengers, colleagues and other Royal Mail employees to assist them in getting to work. However where driving is likely to be unsafe/hazardous, employees should clearly assess the risk before deciding to use their own vehicles.

Where it is possible to drive safely, employees who necessarily use their own vehicles to get to their normal office and possibly carry colleagues as passengers may, receive the payments detailed below.

Parking
Parking facilities adjacent to Royal Mail premises may be extremely limited and employees may therefore, need to make their own arrangements to park their cars.

Insurance
It is the responsibility of employees to ensure that their insurance policy is valid for certain risks arising from civil disturbance and business use and should also ensure, before agreeing to carrying passengers, that their policy covers them. They should consult their insurance company before using their private vehicle.

Allowance
Providing the individuals hold a class B1 Business Use insurance policy, a special mileage allowance of 25p per mile may be paid. This applies to employees who normally use public transport but who necessarily use their own private motor vehicles to travel to and from their permanent office during the emergency. This special allowance cannot be paid to an employee who normally uses his private vehicle to travel to and from his permanent office, except in respect of any additional mileage travelled when conveying official passengers under arrangements made by Royal Mail.

Claims for reasonable excess travelling expenses from individuals whose daily journey each way exceeds the walking limits and who have to travel by unusual routes will in certain circumstances be considered on their merits. The employees concerned will be expected to take all reasonable steps to restrict excess costs as much as practicable, e.g. obtaining a refund of their season ticket.

Is there an official document with this on it? cant find it in the Royal Mail Employment agreement section

ddtc · Post by **ddtc** » 02 Mar 2018, 11:10

Been sent home but only after being informed management will claw back hours. Think I will be printing a copy of the agreement ready for when they try it. Seriously what is up with RM and agreements?

fishtank · Post by **fishtank** » 02 Mar 2018, 11:34

Is there an official document with this on it? cant find it in the Royal Mail Employment agreement section

There was in 2013 when I started this thread, there isn't now. It's been superceded by a policy of acting like dicks. Since we didn't agree to the first we're not going to agree to this one either. As Clash points out though we're all skipping along hand in hand into a bright new culture so I would imagine one text from Terry with a sad emoji will sort it out. He's on tour right now so we might have to wait a bit....

Lynch · Post by **Lynch** » 02 Mar 2018, 15:27

Hi our cwu area rep told health and safety rep in our office that ok to take a bundle of work out to nearest walks to the office or take a bundle of work home to the street we live in so he is giving his blessing to tear up the rule book! Ok to take work home in my car any other time I did that I'd be a little bit of trouble and also put a bag on my back even though I'm not delivering to flats. Stand off.untill 12.30 then told to go out on delivey, use your swede and off you go.i thought the cwu stood up for there members,on some occasions I'm left scratching my swede.

scoobymunster · Post by **scoobymunster** » 02 Mar 2018, 18:50

Lynch wrote:Hi our cwu area rep told health and safety rep in our office that ok to take a bundle of work out to nearest walks to the office or take a bundle of work home to the street we live in so he is giving his blessing to tear up the rule book! Ok to take work home in my car any other time I did that I'd be a little bit of trouble and also put a bag on my back even though I'm not delivering to flats. Stand off.untill 12.30 then told to go out on delivey, use your swede and off you go.i thought the cwu stood up for there members,on some occasions I'm left scratching my swede.

What happens to any parcels/signed for items you couldn't deliver, leave them in your car boot overnight?

Post by **SpacePhoenix** » 02 Mar 2018, 19:31

scoobymunster wrote:
Lynch wrote:Hi our cwu area rep told health and safety rep in our office that ok to take a bundle of work out to nearest walks to the office or take a bundle of work home to the street we live in so he is giving his blessing to tear up the rule book! Ok to take work home in my car any other time I did that I'd be a little bit of trouble and also put a bag on my back even though I'm not delivering to flats. Stand off.untill 12.30 then told to go out on delivey, use your swede and off you go.i thought the cwu stood up for there members,on some occasions I'm left scratching my swede.
What happens to any parcels/signed for items you couldn't deliver, leave them in your car boot overnight?

Also probably illegal in general as you'd need business use car insurance

steve1873 · Post by **steve1873** » 03 Mar 2018, 13:31

SpacePhoenix wrote:
scoobymunster wrote:
Lynch wrote:Hi our cwu area rep told health and safety rep in our office that ok to take a bundle of work out to nearest walks to the office or take a bundle of work home to the street we live in so he is giving his blessing to tear up the rule book! Ok to take work home in my car any other time I did that I'd be a little bit of trouble and also put a bag on my back even though I'm not delivering to flats. Stand off.untill 12.30 then told to go out on delivey, use your swede and off you go.i thought the cwu stood up for there members,on some occasions I'm left scratching my swede.
What happens to any parcels/signed for items you couldn't deliver, leave them in your car boot overnight?
Also probably illegal in general as you'd need business use car insurance

Correct. The fact an area rep would not only give the ok to that, but actually endorse it as a suitable practice is of huge concern. I'd be reporting that to your branch immediately!