VIDEO : FOUR PILLARS SESSION FROM THE SOUTH EAST DIVISION LOCAL REPS BRIEFING

[cloherty1976]

It will be very interesting when they go on there tour up north if the reps come out and say this. All I have seen is them coming out saying it's a great deal

Okay ... so what exactly do you want ?

The rise on my basic is all I am really interested in to make it easier to remortgage my investment portfolio

[clashcityrocker]

Okay ... so what exactly do you want ?

An apology.
Some resignations.
A union.

[shepherdess]

What happened to the list of offices who's times will be changed

[Jack1960]

What happened to the list of offices who's times will be changed

Good question

[Decky Boy]

Okay ... so what exactly do you want ?

An apology.
Some resignations.
A union.

An apology for what ?
Who should resign ?
We have a strong Union.

C'mon then... you're in the negotiations with the top bods from Royal Mail... what are you asking for ? What exactly are your demands ?

I ask a simple question brother....apologies and resignations won't keep us in employment, pay the bills and mortgage, put food on the table or give us a wage in retirement ?

[fishtank]

What exactly are your demands ?

Why do you keep asking a pointless question? Why would Clash have different demands to the rest of the membership?

The demands are exactly the same demands that the negotiatiors promised to deliver and received a huge mandate to do so, the four pillars of security. The point is they haven't delivered but we're supposed to accept that on the basis of "it could be worse".

Go back to the original "Four Pillars" announcement read it then read the agreement(all 39 pages of it) then come back and tell us if the two match up in any way.

[Chitchat]

It will be very interesting when they go on there tour up north if the reps come out and say this. All I have seen is them coming out saying it's a great deal

Okay ... so what exactly do you want ?

What they promised when they started this whole thing, four pillars of security.
Not three wobbly legs and an empty space where the fourth should be.

Hahaha well said

[clashcityrocker]

An apology for what ?
Who should resign ?

An apology for promising so much and delivering so little.
An apology for the cut in my standard of living. (Remind me once again - what salaries are our negotiators on?)
An apology for failing to protect our pensions. (Remind me once again - what are the pensions of the people negotiating on our behalf?)

As to resignations, I will happily start with Ward and Pullinger. But I see no reason as to why the bloodletting should stop there.

[borders]

Remind me why the University Lecturers and other staff are out on Strike today

[gary1975]

Remind me why the University Lecturers and other staff are out on Strike today

I guess there on the cusp of something special too

[borders]

Remind me why the University Lecturers and other staff are out on Strike today

I guess there on the cusp of something special too

,very good.

[TrueBlueTerrier]

Remind me why the University Lecturers and other staff are out on Strike today

I guess there on the cusp of something special too

,very good.

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UUK joins CDC bandwagon as it sets out possible USS replacements

Universities UK (UUK) has suggested a collective defined contribution (CDC) scheme could be a replacement for the defined benefit (DB) element of the Universities Superannuation Scheme (USS).
In an open letter to USS members, UUK president Professor Dame Janet Beer and chief executive Alistair Jarvis said it was prepared to get back round the negotiating table to discuss a number of options for replacing the DB section of the scheme, of which CDC was one.

The letter was sent as staff at 64 universities across the UK launched strike action over the proposal to reduce pensionable pay within the scheme from £55,550 to £0, effectively closing it to future accrual. A paper produced by the University and College Union (UCU) and First Actuarial predicted staff could be £200,000 worse off at retirement.

UUK suggested there was potential for further talks, including "exploring alternative models for risk-sharing", including CDC, even though this is not yet legislatively possible. The original proposal was for members to move into the USS' defined contribution (DC) element, Retirement Income Builder.

The body also said talks would include "exploring a well-defined framework" for the reintroduction of DB if economic and funding conditions improvement, how deficit recovery contributions could be kept as low as possible, and engaging with stakeholders over investment de-risking.

The letter said: "In the meantime, we wish to continue to discuss any credible, affordable proposal; and even at this late stage, we are confident that employers would want to consider whether such a proposal could form the basis of a way forward."

Although CDC is not yet possible under the current legal framework, the agreement between Royal Mail and the Communication Workers Union to jointly push the government to make the necessary changes has added some impetus to seek these schemes, and may have contributed to USS's proposal.

Earlier this week, the Work and Pensions Committee was told that Royal Mail's scheme could be enabled by just small changes to existing DC legislation, rather than a full primary legislation, as long as there were clear governance, transparency and communication rules.

UCU general secretary Sally Hunt welcomed UUK's proposal.

"I have made it clear from the start of this dispute that this mess can only be resolved by negotiation," she said. "We have been calling for talks for weeks either directly or through Acas, so if UUK are willing to now meeting, without preconditions with a view to resolving this dispute, this is good news."

[fishtank]

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