General Secretary Dave Ward and DGSP Terry Pullinger sharing their thoughts on our Four Pillars agreement

Martin Walsh · Post by **Martin Walsh** » 08 Feb 2018, 18:18

daveyeff wrote:they never mentioned the agreement with RM about attacking the MTSF 'augmented benefits' payments.

Because they are no longer going to.

k979aaa · Post by **k979aaa** » 08 Feb 2018, 18:21

dingo wrote:
daveyeff wrote:they never mentioned the agreement with RM about attacking the MTSF 'augmented benefits' payments.
Because they are no longer going to.

It is in the agreement page 12 paragraph 3.

daveyeff · Post by **daveyeff** » 08 Feb 2018, 18:21

not according to page 12 dingo, or have they realised RM sneaked that one in?

martybhoy39 · Post by **martybhoy39** » 08 Feb 2018, 18:29

a massive yes in support the agreement
they have got be f***ing kidding
well seeing they are not on the front line w*****s
cwu have conceded on every aspect they were fighting against.....
LMFAO..
Going back to the start i picture 1 man standing up for his rites in the workplace then 1 of his workmates stands with him and so on until it got to big that people had to be employed to run the "Onion" hense our £2.22 a week.These grease balls at the top of OUR Onion are just YES men now.
How many rm staff are part of the "Onion" 110000 employed ruffly so say 50%=55000×£2.22=£12000 per week ×52 = over 6mill
Fk it i will represent us for 3 mill

bolton1969 · Post by **bolton1969** » 08 Feb 2018, 18:33

dingo wrote:
daveyeff wrote:they never mentioned the agreement with RM about attacking the MTSF 'augmented benefits' payments.
Because they are no longer going to.

Dingo, does this mean that the voluntary redundancy package which is up to a maximum of 104 weeks is still in place and if it is how long is that guaranteed for

martybhoy39 · Post by **martybhoy39** » 08 Feb 2018, 18:36

Sorry wrong figures there 110000 members 12mill a year we give the yes men..i ll still do it for 3mill but i need the cash upfront

Yamr1 · Post by **Yamr1** » 08 Feb 2018, 18:49

Is it so hard nearly 18 months to sort this out and they come back with this pish

First stop b&h priority
Keep hrs same till automation happens if ever
Inflation pay rise next few yrs
We have all pulled or weight and made the profit for this GREAT BRITISH company LOL
Pensions stay same for all people in the business
New entrants goes on new pension
Stop paying stupid dividends till pensions pot sorts itself out
When automation starts then we fight for reduction in hours etc

18 months the negotiation team comes up with this.
They should hand back there wages in shame for they 18 months

Post by **stodgy88** » 08 Feb 2018, 18:56

Dingo, does this mean that the voluntary redundancy package which is up to a maximum of 104 weeks is still in place and if it is how long is that guaranteed for just thought id repeat that probably the most important issue for longer serving members if automation takes over and thousands of jobs go please clear up Dingo thanks

worktotime · Post by **worktotime** » 08 Feb 2018, 19:00

any idea on lapsing ? made up traffic figures to suit them and beat the staff with ? unmanageable workloads ? dutys being trimmed to work to a sww ? any info on these dingo ? or will all these issues be left to the unit reps to sort out and take the s**t . as usual

Yamr1 · Post by **Yamr1** » 08 Feb 2018, 19:05

Hopefully not left to unit reps ours doesn't even does resource meeting

fishtank · Post by **fishtank** » 08 Feb 2018, 19:13

The part of MTSF affected by the proposed changes are Early Voluntary Retirement with enhanced pension and IHR with pension. These are obviously pension benefits so no pension: no benefit.

It's what's known in negotiation circles as "collateral damage". Let's not talk about it...shhhh.

BoltonPostie · Post by **BoltonPostie** » 08 Feb 2018, 19:16

dingo wrote:
daveyeff wrote:they never mentioned the agreement with RM about attacking the MTSF 'augmented benefits' payments.
Because they are no longer going to.

Thats a fact is it?
Well it says different on page 12, Higher up's have been talking about the MTSF going well before the four pilliars was even dreamt up, it's been on the table for ages and for you and any other senior rep to say that it hasn't or that in your words Because they are no longer going to is disingenuous to say the least.

And he will say yes the MTSF is still in place, because guess what it still is, but not for long , they are waiting till this pile of pish gets voted in.

worktotime · Post by **worktotime** » 08 Feb 2018, 19:17

Yamr1 wrote:Hopefully not left to unit reps ours doesn't even does resource meeting

that doesn't surprise me , where probably the same .

daveyeff · Post by **daveyeff** » 08 Feb 2018, 19:22

I think a right old can of worms has been opened up with this subject.

worktotime · Post by **worktotime** » 08 Feb 2018, 19:28

worktotime wrote:any idea on lapsing ? made up traffic figures to suit them and beat the staff with ? unmanageable workloads ? dutys being trimmed to work to a sww ? any info on these dingo ? or will all these issues be left to the unit reps to sort out and take the s**t . as usual

im still looking and cant find nowt , oh well