Later finish times : Info included

[k979aaa]

I'm reading this as the later finishing DO's will be the ones with CSS machines in their office.

There was a bit somewhere about review of machine equipment (bottom of page 15 of the agreement), where potentially all machines are under review, so possibly could that end up with some MPUs reverting back to being normal DOs and the sequencing being done purely in MCs?

Quite possibly but we are serving quite a few offices with our CSS machines and have been taking on extra batches this past 12 months so I couldn't see the nearest MC being able to cope and get everyone's mail out on time. You're left feeling its all good on paper but like everything else with the RM planning department it'll fall way short of expectations with the workforce left to pick up the pieces.

Does your local MC use their IMPs or iLSMs for sequencing? How many engineers have they normally got per shift? If they've only one and that engineer is around your MPU fixing a CSS there (what's the approx round journey time between your MPU and the local MC excluding any time required to fix the machines) and one of their machines breaks down, then that could potentially be a couple of hours downtime

And Royal Mail expect me and others to pick up their expediency with my effort and time after they have rogered my pension and future FUCKEM!

[Celgar]

For 1023 Delivery Offices there will be no change to finish times as a result of the LAT all be it they will have to introduce the SWW.

For 123 Offices they will move from 1 minute to 15 minutes and also introduce the hour off the working week.

For 70 Offices they will move from 16 mins up to 30 mins and also introduce the hour off the working week

For 51 Offices there would be a change of 31 to 45 but this is capped at 30 mins and will be overseen by National Level to see if this could be reduced.

Divisional reps will be provided copies over the next couple of weeks of affected offices

No doubt the said list will be made public as soon as possible.

Doesn't the proposal/agreement state we will be given this information 'three months before deployment' ? That will be after we have voted and a long way from now.

[Celgar]

So, do I read this right that some offices are going to drop an hr and some aren't? How's that fair?

No you read it wrong. All Posties will drop an hour, but some will have the last letter time of 3:30

All offices will have a last letter of 3.30pm
Just like all offices have a last letter of 3pm now.
Some offices will finish later.

Isn't it 1530 for town/residential walks and 1630 for rural deliveries ?? That is theoretically last letter delivery of course - at Christmas, and with runup getting earlier each year maybe November as well, it could take longer.

[walkthewalk]

I'm reading this as the later finishing DO's will be the ones with CSS machines in their office.

Cannot agree with you on this as the offices who DO NOT have the CSS machine have to wait for their mail to arrive from offices that do have the CSS machines, hence they will have the later finishing time.

[fishtank]

I'm reading this as the later finishing DO's will be the ones with CSS machines in their office.

Cannot agree with you on this as the offices who DO NOT have the CSS machine have to wait for their mail to arrive from offices that do have the CSS machines, hence they will have the later finishing time.

It makes more sense if you're sequencing mail for multiple offices to start sequencing mail for the furthest away first (longer transit time) and then work back the way to your own office (zero transit time).

[wookie]

It needs to be made clear which offices will have a later start time BEFORE the vote. Some days I'm asking family to pick up my own kids from school as time is really tight on the long days. (Wed/Thur)

[kevbo]

It needs to be made clear which offices will have a later start time BEFORE the vote. Some days I'm asking family to pick up my own kids from school as time is really tight on the long days. (Wed/Thur)

Think all DOs will start 12 mins later with each hour off the working week. Some offices will have even later start times to accommodate later finish times. Don't know which yet but apparently we will before we vote (see above posts). Large majority of offices won't be changing at the moment but can't see that lasting long. Would suggest people think about that before thinking I'm all right Jack and voting this in. Unless someone can convince me otherwise I'm leaning towards no as this is a dealbreaker for me. Shame cos rest of the deal looks decent.

[Sugar]

Does your local MC use their IMPs or iLSMs for sequencing? How many engineers have they normally got per shift? If they've only one and that engineer is around your MPU fixing a CSS there (what's the approx round journey time between your MPU and the local MC excluding any time required to fix the machines) and one of their machines breaks down, then that could potentially be a couple of hours downtime

Couldn't say other than its a huge MC so you'd expect plenty of engineers to be in there.

Cannot agree with you on this as the offices who DO NOT have the CSS machine have to wait for their mail to arrive from offices that do have the CSS machines, hence they will have the later finishing time.

We get our mail off last by some margin as all the other satellite DO's get theirs first and we know they get out on to the streets before us.

[Celgar]

I'm reading this as the later finishing DO's will be the ones with CSS machines in their office.

Cannot agree with you on this as the offices who DO NOT have the CSS machine have to wait for their mail to arrive from offices that do have the CSS machines, hence they will have the later finishing time.

It makes more sense if you're sequencing mail for multiple offices to start sequencing mail for the furthest away first (longer transit time) and then work back the way to your own office (zero transit time).

I have been told this by our DOM before I think. Therefore with the LAT or with other operational reasons I think the DOs that are closest or maybe actually in the same sites as MCs will have the longest amount of time added to their start times in the morning. It sounds 'world turned upside down' but I believe its the case.

[SpacePhoenix]

I'm reading this as the later finishing DO's will be the ones with CSS machines in their office.

Cannot agree with you on this as the offices who DO NOT have the CSS machine have to wait for their mail to arrive from offices that do have the CSS machines, hence they will have the later finishing time.

It makes more sense if you're sequencing mail for multiple offices to start sequencing mail for the furthest away first (longer transit time) and then work back the way to your own office (zero transit time).

Doesn't quite work like that as you've got to factor in batches which have got firms on them

[k979aaa]

I'm reading this as the later finishing DO's will be the ones with CSS machines in their office.

Cannot agree with you on this as the offices who DO NOT have the CSS machine have to wait for their mail to arrive from offices that do have the CSS machines, hence they will have the later finishing time.

It makes more sense if you're sequencing mail for multiple offices to start sequencing mail for the furthest away first (longer transit time) and then work back the way to your own office (zero transit time).

Doesn't quite work like that as you've got to factor in batches which have got firms on them

Only if they pay £4000 for time delivery virtually no one pays that these days unless your in London town!