LTB 059/18 Pay and Four Pillars Agreement : Please read the attachment! : Agreement enclosed!

BeamishStout · Post by **BeamishStout** » 01 Feb 2018, 17:47

JKSmudge wrote: Also the back pay looks like it wont actually be paid out until April at the earliest !

Can you explain how you arrived at this?

answer=42 · Post by **answer=42** » 01 Feb 2018, 17:49

With relation to back pay. Anyone know if someone who retired since October 2017 would be eligible for the back pay?

Coinbags · Post by **Coinbags** » 01 Feb 2018, 17:52

dingo wrote:
gary1975 wrote:15:30 last letter, that will go down well in most offices
For 1023 Delivery Offices there will be no change to finish times as a result of the LAT all be it they will have to introduce the SWW.

For 123 Offices they will move from 1 minute to 15 minutes and also introduce the hour off the working week.

For 70 Offices they will move from 16 mins up to 30 mins and also introduce the hour off the working week

For 51 Offices there would be a change of 31 to 45 but this is capped at 30 mins and will be overseen by National Level to see if this could be reduced.

At the moment !

Post by **kevbo** » 01 Feb 2018, 17:53

fishtank wrote:
kevbo wrote:Union needs to get the message over that the SWW is a pay rise for everyone not just part timers. i.e If you choose to work 39 hrs over a 38/37 hr week you will be paid for 1/2 hours more than you are now. Your hourly rate has increased.

The union needs to get the message across that there are only two ways to remove hours from the business, one is the shorter working week and the other is headcount reduction.

Can't see any downside to a shorter working week. Hourly rate goes up, less time on delivery win win.

RTP · Post by **RTP** » 01 Feb 2018, 17:53

Dingo I can understand that you probably can’t post the list of offices affected by the later finish times. Hey we’ve waited this long so a few more weeks is nothing really. However am I right in thinking that offices further away from mail centres are more likely to be affected and would a 30 minute later start time trigger a revision?

A2B · Post by **A2B** » 01 Feb 2018, 17:58

BeamishStout wrote:
JKSmudge wrote: Also the back pay looks like it wont actually be paid out until April at the earliest !
Can you explain how you arrived at this?

2 maybe 3 weeks for the union to speak to it's members and get the vote carried out?

1 more week to get the vote counted and give the yes/no answer to RM?

Another week for payroll to work out who is owed what?

April seems about right

mickeymacca · Post by **mickeymacca** » 01 Feb 2018, 18:03

wiltim7 wrote:12 mins a day whats so great about getting that as a shorter working week we will be getting the same amount of work but paid less time to do it in and then they'll sqeeze another 12 mins a day off that surely the the workforce cant be that gullible

Are you familiar with the Cut-Off procedure? If you can't complete and don't want the overtime the same applies......just 12 minutes earlier

mickeymacca · Post by **mickeymacca** » 01 Feb 2018, 18:06

Well done Union, appears to be a good deal

stoneybroke · Post by **stoneybroke** » 01 Feb 2018, 18:08

dingo wrote:
stoneybroke wrote:I'm not the sharpest, so just a couple of questions. I've been working as a postie for 10 years and on a 29 hour contract (although I usually work 36-39 hours).

1. On top of the wage rise, will I also get an extra rise when the full-timers get a reduction in hours?
2. Has there been any agreement with regards to holiday and sick pay being made up to usual hours worked for part-timers?
3. Will we get a new individual pension forecast showing figures on retirement for the new proposed scheme?

Thanks in advance.
Ok in order 1 yes you will get an additional pay rise or around 2.6% for each hour off the working week one in October and one from April 2019 based on a new Delivery Agreement

2. No this is not included in this agreement but is subject to further talks and also eyes are on pending legal cases.

3. yes you will get a pension illustration

Brilliant. Thanks Dingo

mw7485 · Post by **mw7485** » 01 Feb 2018, 18:21

Wow, there's a shed load of aspiration in this agreement. Very briefly skim reading it through it, RM will have to work very closely with the union if any of this is to come about. If, and that is a HUGE if, RM are genuine, this could in the long term work very well. I'm more than a little skeptical however, as the same senior management that has to date pursued an agenda of slash, burn and turn the other way, has apparently signed up to this

I really would like to see this happen and maybe it will, but it will require a massive cultural shift on both sides.

One thing that did jump out at me was the new NRA of 67 for the new pension scheme. Seriously? We expect people to be battling away on delivery up to the age of 67? That indicates someone needs to remind themselves what its like delivering in the winter for 5 plus hours.

caraidalba · Post by **caraidalba** » 01 Feb 2018, 18:32

I like many others are very impressed with what the union got out of this deal, and would like to congratulate them. When you imagine what it looked like in October, its incredible.
I have studied the deal (briefly), and fully expected to see where RM would claw back the cost of the deal.
But, I must admit it doesn't scream out to me. Is there something in the wording that I am missing? I thought at the very least RM would want to make a % saving in headcount.

lala · Post by **lala** » 01 Feb 2018, 18:34

Can someone please explain what these trials will actually be about? Also what is this automated hours data capture?
Thanks in advance

mickeymacca · Post by **mickeymacca** » 01 Feb 2018, 18:35

Can anyone clear this up for me.
I work 4 days at 7h 48 each day so 31.12 a week
my P and L partner is full time over 5 days 7h 48 so obviously 39 a week

when the reduction in hours commences, will my contract be adjusted to reflect this ( so down 12 mins a day, and 48 mins a week to 30 hours 24 mins a week) as although P/T I am technically working full time hours on the days I work. If the contract does not get adjusted I will be getting paid longer than my P and L partner for doing the same days work, which is not a massive problem for me

Post by **TrueBlueTerrier** » 01 Feb 2018, 18:39

lala wrote:Can someone please explain what these trials will actually be about? Also what is this automated hours data capture?
Thanks in advance

From a brief reading of the agreement there isn't anything specific regarding what the trials are, but how they will be introduced, tested and implemented in the future. All current trials will probably continue as they are.

Automated data capture - Your PDA will report what work you are doing, effectively a handheld clocking in machine and time and motion engineer.

Ozzvaldo · Post by **Ozzvaldo** » 01 Feb 2018, 18:47

Genuine question. Can anybody shed any light on why finishing times will be unaffected in a significant majority of offices while those already affected by late finishing times due to distance from MCs, as hinted at by our rep, will be the ones pushed further back? Surely every office should be impacted by pipeline changes. I know of at least 3 people in my office who will have to reconsider their positions in the company if we go to 3.30 finishes due to picking young children up from school.