Jackonory load of rumour and bulljaylime wrote:I spoke to me area rep yesterday about the new deal. He told me the pension just had to be passed in parliament and the shorter working week had been agreed.......The only sticking point was pay,CWU want three percent inline with inflation and backdated pay,RM want two percent and a lump sum. If we get the CWU pay deal along with everthing else that's been agreed,personally I think that's a pretty good result....
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tonytucker
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BRING IT BACK BRING IT BACK
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k979aaa
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Pension passing in parliament about as much chance as rocking horse s**t they have 45 years of brexit law's too get through so I doubt we will bet top of the list!jaylime wrote:I spoke to me area rep yesterday about the new deal. He told me the pension just had to be passed in parliament and the shorter working week had been agreed.......The only sticking point was pay,CWU want three percent inline with inflation and backdated pay,RM want two percent and a lump sum. If we get the CWU pay deal along with everthing else that's been agreed,personally I think that's a pretty good result....
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Personally, I don't think the shorter working week is the way forwards for us; its the way backwards towards more bullying/harassment and problems between staff and inept management. The Union believe that they have the answer by taking time off the working week and compromising with Royal Mail by suggesting that we start later. But this is a company that has timed deliveries, that has part-timers starting later, that lapses duties at the drop of a hat and that informs its posties to leave parcels if they can't get finished on time. And yet the reasoning behind starting and finishing later for Royal Mail is so that we have bigger duties???

On the face of it, shareholder value is the dumbest idea in the world.
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steve1873
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The shorter working week, as per my understanding, will be phased. Moving to a 38 hour week in year 1, 37 hour in year 2 etc.
This will be phased in at the same time as automation is increased. Essentially, dropping an hour per week results in 12 minutes less per day (assuming a 5 day week), which could in theory be absorbed in indoor time if automation goes the way they plan (when has a Royal Mail plan ever worked though).
What certainly isn't happening, and has never been on the agenda is dropping to a 35 hour working week straight away. There is no way that is practically achievable in any function.
This will be phased in at the same time as automation is increased. Essentially, dropping an hour per week results in 12 minutes less per day (assuming a 5 day week), which could in theory be absorbed in indoor time if automation goes the way they plan (when has a Royal Mail plan ever worked though).
What certainly isn't happening, and has never been on the agenda is dropping to a 35 hour working week straight away. There is no way that is practically achievable in any function.
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It doesn't matter what's agreed between the CWU and RM , as soon as any agreement is signed , both sides will walk away from the table and guess what happens next .......
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Only way that RM is going to have more automation will be replacing all the existing machines and I'd be surprised if they paid out for thatsteve1873 wrote:The shorter working week, as per my understanding, will be phased. Moving to a 38 hour week in year 1, 37 hour in year 2 etc.
This will be phased in at the same time as automation is increased. Essentially, dropping an hour per week results in 12 minutes less per day (assuming a 5 day week), which could in theory be absorbed in indoor time if automation goes the way they plan (when has a Royal Mail plan ever worked though).
What certainly isn't happening, and has never been on the agenda is dropping to a 35 hour working week straight away. There is no way that is practically achievable in any function.
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nuisance
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The union ought to be prioritising getting part timers more hours over getting full timers less hours. I can't see how they figure getting anybody less contracted hours is a positive thing at all. If any full timers want less hours, they can just choose to go down to part time anyway, can't they? I don't support the 35 hour thing at all, or compromising on later start and finish times.
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eastie
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shorter working week is a waste of time. the runners still come in up to an hour earlier.
The posties that come in their normal time will be the ones who suffer getting them to do 39 hours work in say 35 hours
The posties that come in their normal time will be the ones who suffer getting them to do 39 hours work in say 35 hours
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Interested-seeker
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Totally agree!Karen 12345 wrote:The union ought to be prioritising getting part timers more hours over getting full timers less hours. I can't see how they figure getting anybody less contracted hours is a positive thing at all. If any full timers want less hours, they can just choose to go down to part time anyway, can't they? I don't support the 35 hour thing at all, or compromising on later start and finish times.
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Chitchat
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Because every hour reduced for full timers means a pay increase in money for part timers. We have to look longer into the distance and mitigate the effects of automation and declining letters.Karen 12345 wrote:The union ought to be prioritising getting part timers more hours over getting full timers less hours. I can't see how they figure getting anybody less contracted hours is a positive thing at all. If any full timers want less hours, they can just choose to go down to part time anyway, can't they? I don't support the 35 hour thing at all, or compromising on later start and finish times.
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Gangham_style14
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Is the shorter working week based on a 5 day week or 6 ? So many rumours that circulating about it all. Like scrapping rotation and giving us 2 days of a week once we go down to 5 days. However being RM, I personally can not see them losing money and dropping a day service
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nuisance
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I have read this many times but I'm still not sold at all. One of the pillars is already an hourly pay rise, it isn't that huge a priority to people who's wages fluctuate wildly if there's no overtime available, or if they're sick or on leave. Looking into the distance, the short term pay increase benefits of less hours will wane with inflation and the "full timers" will just be left with less contracted employment hours. It is not a long term benefit to workers IMO.Chitchat wrote:
Because every hour reduced for full timers means a pay increase in money for part timers. We have to look longer into the distance and mitigate the effects of automation and declining letters.
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NewPostieUK
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Well 35 hours a week working 5 days a week would be 7 hours a day. 8am til 3pm maybe? or 9 til 4?worktotime wrote:SpacePhoenix wrote: what about start and finish times for delivery ? any ideas.
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toomuchcoke
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Well CDC pensions have already passed through Parliament, it's just the actual detailed regulations that need setting up IIRC, so will that actually need any Parliamentary time or is it just civil service time in the Department of Work & Pensions that's required? I agree with you that if serious Parliamentary time is required then things are, ahem, "unlikely" but if it's just civil service & ministerial time, maybe with some select committee scrutiny of proposals then things might be different.k979aaa wrote:Pension passing in parliament about as much chance as rocking horse s**t they have 45 years of brexit law's too get through so I doubt we will bet top of the list!
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Where did the area rep get his info from, a xmas cracker?
Only sticking point is the pay?
New area rep when elections happen me thinks.
Only sticking point is the pay?
New area rep when elections happen me thinks.
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It's good to get these types of threads, the ridiculous my manager said bollox, so we can reassure ourselves that while the world is falling apart, Royal Mail managers are still being the low-life C***S they have always been.
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The daily grind of having to argue your case with an intellectual pigmy of a line manager is physically and emotionally draining.
It's good to get these types of threads, the ridiculous my manager said bollox, so we can reassure ourselves that while the world is falling apart, Royal Mail managers are still being the low-life C***S they have always been.
My BFF Clash
The daily grind of having to argue your case with an intellectual pigmy of a line manager is physically and emotionally draining.